Hello Ian, > Dave quoted Mary saying ... > "Much to my own surprise, I find that I am becoming daily more and > more in the Eastern mysticism camp". > > I've been round this loop myself. A traditional rationalist, > objectivist "engineer" who found the Eastern Mysticism a source of > embarassment initially - and lets face it there are some whacky > extremes to be embarrassed about. But once understood how the > mysticism fits the pragmatism, as Dave says, there is no reason to see > these as diametrically opposed approaches. (Jon, DMB will explain - > how long have you got ?) > [Mary Replies] I am on a quest to figure out why people do the things they do, and why I do the things I do. Over the years, the MoQ has grown to be a big part of my toolkit for this stuff. Adrie made some heartfelt comments about how important honesty is. I agree with this so much. If we cannot be honest with ourselves we'll never be honest with others. One problem I have with the academic approach to the MoQ is the need to categorize it. "Compare and contrast the MoQ with the Pragmatists in 1000 words or less." Kind of sucks all the life out of it. If you do that, the danger is that you begin to feel like you "own" it. It's no longer a philosophy with personal meaning, but just a concept to be mastered like any other.
> Mary also said > "IMHO the MoQ has much greater explanatory power when the Intellectual > Level is viewed as SOM than when it is not. ..." > > I actually agree with this (and I've tried many times to tell Bo I > agree with him too) so I ask you a question. If we limit the > intellectual level to this kind of intellect ... where in the > evolutionary levels of the MoQ does your Eastern Mystic view fit ? > (Let me guess, everywhere and nowhere at the same time ?) > [Mary Replies] I don't know, Ian. At different times I've said it should be in the Intellectual Level, and more recently I've said it should reside above it. As you say, neither or both. If I knew all the answers I probably wouldn't feel the need to post in this group. What I do consistently think though, is that the concept that subject-object metaphysics and its parent, SOL not being a correct representation of reality is what gives the MoQ its power. I don't want to trivialize that. Mary Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
