Hi Horse, On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Aren't both ises and oughts based on value judgements and how well they fit > with what we know? > A trivial example might be: > if > X equals Y > then > Y ought to equal X > else > something is amiss. > > Ises say something about how we believe the world to be (or might be) and > oughts extrapolate from those beliefs. > If there is a relationship between ises and oughts then these relationships > ought to be examined, not only the ises and oughts themselves and that > implies further value judgements. > It also depends on whether an is is a statment or a question. > Lots of value judgements to consider but all based on what and how we value. > > Just a thought > > Horse > > On 27/04/2010 06:59, [email protected] wrote: >> >> [Steve] >> >>> >>> I think the fact/value distinction is just to say that facts and >>> values are different sorts of things. >>> >> >> For Searle the Is-Ought gap is the same as the fact/value gap >> & the descriptive/evaluative gap. >> >> [Steve] >> >>> >>> Putnam is saying "so what?" We are never in that >>> position of having a bunch of "is" premises and needing to derive our >>> very first "ought." >>> >> >> If this is right, Putnam misses the point. Whether we NEED to or not, CAN >> we derive an "ought" from an "is"? There might be "oughts" which cannot >> be derived& others which can. Of the latter, CAN they only be derived >> from "is es".
Steve: The above is a good example of what Putnam would call the "entanglement" of facts and values. It is useful to distinguish between facts and values, but assertions of fact always presuppose certain values, and in spite of the claims of the positivists, values can be reasoned about while making use of facts. We should therefore drop the Kantian picture where facts and values are on separate spheres. Pirsig obviously would agree. Best, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
