Steve said:
I know what Pirsig says. I'm wonderring how his arguments stand up to arguments
that others have made. Aren't you also wonderring why, if these questions have
been so thoroughly dissolved, that people keep asking about them?
dmb says:
Well, that's just it Steve. I don't see Pirsig's arguments in anything you're
saying. I'm suggesting that the distinction is pretty meaningless in the MOQ.
Can you explain how this has any relevance to what Pirsig says?
Steve:
What would one person who had never had a conversation with anyone else know
about how to construct a good argument and what sorts of arguments ought to
convince her? What could "good argument" even mean under such conditions?
dmb says:
Huh? I thought we were talking about deriving oughts from ises?
Steve said:
Rorty does not hold that morality is just what society lets us say,
nevertheless, there is a social [] component to the practice of justification.
You keep bringing up radical empiricism as though experience answers all
questions about justification. I've asked you many times how empirical reality
provides us not only with experience in each moment but all the standards for
justification for evaluating what reality is supposed to be telling us at each
moment. Where do standards for justification come from, DMB?
dmb says:
This question doesn't make any sense to me. Empiricism is an answer to the
question of justification. Empiricism says our knowledge and truth claims are
tested by experience. Radical empiricism does not claim to answer ALL questions
about justification but it is an epistemological theory with its own set of
standards for justification. So you seem to be asking for the standards of
justification that can justify my standards of justification. Wha?
And frankly, your question, "how empirical reality provides us not only with
experience in each moment but all the standards for justification for
evaluating what reality is supposed to be telling us at each moment" is quite
ridiculous.
Who ever said we want or need or can have standards at each moment of reality?
And in the MOQ worrying about standards and justifications at each moment would
keep you out of touch with reality at each moment.
Best,
dmb
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