Mary, All. I was into analyzing Andre's "analysis" of your post of 8 May, but one point came to occupy me all day and most of the night.
You said: > Static patterns of value represent Dynamic Quality. If you mean that the MOQ is conveyed by language it can't be denied and here is a Gordic Knot (not to say a Godel one) which is hard to untie. Language is originally a social pattern - the greatest means of communication there is - and ever since everything seem conveyed by language. I.e. it assumes much the same role as "thinking" does (for Horse, "the subject" (for Ham) "concepts" for DMB. Up to these various Xes everything was "out there" afterwards it got a shadowy counterpart "in here" (subjective thoughts, subjective concepts ...etc. Now, Phaedrus' original ZAMM insight was that this "in here/out there" distinction (i.e. SOM) is INTELLECT ITSELF, but the latter day Pirsig fell back into the pit he had managed to escape by defining intellect as the INSIDE ITSELF (manipulation of these symbols, i.e language). Pirsig's deviation began with him being seduced by William James about the pre-everything's unity was disturbed by concepts, but - again - the REVOLUTIONARY insight was that DQ's first fallout was SOM (concepts different from the reality they represent) That this distinction is Q-intellect is hard to convey and obviously still harder to comprehend, but it is the MOQ. I don't think you Mary mean the MOQ to be intellectual because it's conveyed by language (like the fundamentalist do) but maybe you hint to it being static just because of that? Anyway, the MOQ certainly was conceived by biological intelligence "wrapped" in social language while these were employed by intellect and then it was presented in the required intellectual - objective - form. However its content makes it unfit for co-existing with its parent level and it will take off on a purpose of its own when the the fundamentalist have seen the light. Fat chance. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
