Bodvar to Matt, DMB, Steve, Multitude:
I do NOT oppose that inside the MOQ quality has existed for ever but
THIS QUALITY IS THE DQ OF THE DQ/SQ CONFIGURATION not a Quality that
exists independent of the MOQ.
Andre:
I'll throw myself into this and expect to be kicked in the bum if I
represent it in a low quality way: yes and no Bodvar; the idea of static
quality patterns was not given a chance to develop with the Greeks as
the possibility of this was thwarted by Plato and Aristotle... unlike
the insight into its implications and logical deductions in 'the East"
based on empirical, immediate experience.
Instead, the subject/object postulated paradigm became the dominant
intellectual pattern of value. As Phaedrus argues in ZMM... it is with
Aristotle that the SCIENTIFIC understanding of reality was born...which
took over and the dialectical, scientific method employed virtually
destroyed Arete (Quality) [under Plato] and got a push from Descartes to
widen the gap between mind and matter.
With ZMM and LILA the re-unification begins, the logical deductions are
applied, the SQ part is introduced through the application of radical
empirical insights and... loads of platypuses suddenly disappeared.
And to include an answer to your question about the difference between
direct and indirect experience: yes, indirect experience is employed in
the West my friend (to make a huge generalisation). The West, in an
effort to 'understand reality' adheres to hypotheses and postulates
based on these hypotheses. Direct, pure experience is considered
subjective and therefore superfluous. The 'East' finds out about
'reality' not by checking hypothesized, postulated concepts but by
immediate experience and from there builds its philosophy. Has done for
thousands of years.
That is a huge difference which Pirsig, in combining these two
approaches has accomplished... that is the man's brilliance.
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