Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. Nature is a static pattern? Then you believe everything is. I can't imagine anything more dynamic than nature.
At least the nature we have here in California, but I'm quite sure its the same everywhere. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:25 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Ian, > > I'm not sure how I responded to is "NATURE is intellect", but 'nature' is > a static pattern of value, not an absolute. No matter how forceful he > states it, I'm not going to take anything as a given until I consider it > fully. I was discussing a level of patterns, and I had the feeling he was > discussing 'thinking'. There is something in the way he uses the > word 'intellect' that makes me think it's about thinking in general. > Just this morning I was thinking about my earlier discussion with Horse and Arlo on the dividing line between intellect and intelligence, and how that fits with know-how vs. know-that and it sems very clear to me this morning that know-how is intelligence and know-that is intellect. An amoeba knows how to avoid a puddle of acid, but it doesn't know that it's avoiding a puddle of acid. Know-how is biological and know-that is human. Doesn't it all just sort of dovetail together nicely? I feel like I'm getting a really solid metaphysical understanding (know-that) here. > > One can look at all patterns as 'conceptions', or one can look at > what patterns represent, their category or function. I can all too > easily toss it all off to conceptual vapor, and go chop wood. But I'm > curious to thoroughly understand how it works. If I can. It is not > unimportant to the way lives are lived. > > Am I weird? > Compared to normal people, probably. Compared to me and others on MD, no. Chopping Wood? Today is the day for gardening. Nature beckons! take care, John > > > > > > > > On May 16, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > > > Arlo, Marsha, > > > > Marsha, is your problem reacting to Arlo saying this is how it is - > > the insulting schoolmasterly impression - because you are missing that > > his sentences start with IF ? > > > > Just logical consequences of the statements of others. > > > > Ian > > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> [Marsha] > >> The > >> lament > >> is > >> based > >> on > >> a > >> misconception: > >> that > >> entities (self & object) > >> exist > >> independently. > >> > >> [Arlo] > >> Which is... TAADAA!.. SOM! If ALL intellectual patterns are SOM, this is > NOT > >> a misconception, it is the NATURE of intellect. > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
