Carl, I'm fine with nature. I'm fine with RMP's statements, but consider this, those were patterned (conventional) statement.
Marsha On May 16, 2010, at 11:09 AM, John Carl wrote: > Marsha, > > Please consider the following dialogue carefully and reconsider the > formulation you posted. Is Quality Static? > > Copleston: > > Is man merely a child of Nature? > > Pirsig: > > Yes. Quality is nature. > > Copleston: > > Or is there in him a spiritual principle which makes knowledge possible, > whether it be knowledge of Nature or moral knowledge?� > > Pirsig: > > The MOQ says there is no spiritual principle in man that makes knowledge > possible. Nature does the whole job. > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:57 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello John, >> >> I think that nature is one of the most dynamic static patterns, >> but it's still pattern applied to DQ. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On May 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. >>> >>> Nature is a static pattern? Then you believe everything is. I can't >>> imagine anything more dynamic than nature. >>> >>> At least the nature we have here in California, but I'm quite sure its >> the >>> same everywhere. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:25 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Ian, >>>> >>>> I'm not sure how I responded to is "NATURE is intellect", but 'nature' >> is >>>> a static pattern of value, not an absolute. No matter how forceful he >>>> states it, I'm not going to take anything as a given until I consider it >>>> fully. I was discussing a level of patterns, and I had the feeling he >> was >>>> discussing 'thinking'. There is something in the way he uses the >>>> word 'intellect' that makes me think it's about thinking in general. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Just this morning I was thinking about my earlier discussion with Horse >> and >>> Arlo on the dividing line between intellect and intelligence, and how >> that >>> fits with know-how vs. know-that and it sems very clear to me this >> morning >>> that know-how is intelligence and know-that is intellect. >>> >>> An amoeba knows how to avoid a puddle of acid, but it doesn't know that >> it's >>> avoiding a puddle of acid. Know-how is biological and know-that is >> human. >>> >>> Doesn't it all just sort of dovetail together nicely? I feel like I'm >>> getting a really solid metaphysical understanding (know-that) here. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> One can look at all patterns as 'conceptions', or one can look at >>>> what patterns represent, their category or function. I can all too >>>> easily toss it all off to conceptual vapor, and go chop wood. But I'm >>>> curious to thoroughly understand how it works. If I can. It is not >>>> unimportant to the way lives are lived. >>>> >>>> Am I weird? >>>> >>> >>> >>> Compared to normal people, probably. Compared to me and others on MD, >> no. >>> >>> Chopping Wood? Today is the day for gardening. Nature beckons! >>> >>> take care, >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 16, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>> >>>>> Arlo, Marsha, >>>>> >>>>> Marsha, is your problem reacting to Arlo saying this is how it is - >>>>> the insulting schoolmasterly impression - because you are missing that >>>>> his sentences start with IF ? >>>>> >>>>> Just logical consequences of the statements of others. >>>>> >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>> [Marsha] >>>>>> The >>>>>> lament >>>>>> is >>>>>> based >>>>>> on >>>>>> a >>>>>> misconception: >>>>>> that >>>>>> entities (self & object) >>>>>> exist >>>>>> independently. >>>>>> >>>>>> [Arlo] >>>>>> Which is... TAADAA!.. SOM! If ALL intellectual patterns are SOM, this >> is >>>> NOT >>>>>> a misconception, it is the NATURE of intellect. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
