Marsha, Please consider the following dialogue carefully and reconsider the formulation you posted. Is Quality Static?
Copleston: Is man merely a child of Nature? Pirsig: Yes. Quality is nature. Copleston: Or is there in him a spiritual principle which makes knowledge possible, whether it be knowledge of Nature or moral knowledge?� Pirsig: The MOQ says there is no spiritual principle in man that makes knowledge possible. Nature does the whole job. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:57 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello John, > > I think that nature is one of the most dynamic static patterns, > but it's still pattern applied to DQ. > > > Marsha > > > > > On May 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM, John Carl wrote: > > > Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. > > > > Nature is a static pattern? Then you believe everything is. I can't > > imagine anything more dynamic than nature. > > > > At least the nature we have here in California, but I'm quite sure its > the > > same everywhere. > > > > > > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:25 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi Ian, > >> > >> I'm not sure how I responded to is "NATURE is intellect", but 'nature' > is > >> a static pattern of value, not an absolute. No matter how forceful he > >> states it, I'm not going to take anything as a given until I consider it > >> fully. I was discussing a level of patterns, and I had the feeling he > was > >> discussing 'thinking'. There is something in the way he uses the > >> word 'intellect' that makes me think it's about thinking in general. > >> > > > > > > Just this morning I was thinking about my earlier discussion with Horse > and > > Arlo on the dividing line between intellect and intelligence, and how > that > > fits with know-how vs. know-that and it sems very clear to me this > morning > > that know-how is intelligence and know-that is intellect. > > > > An amoeba knows how to avoid a puddle of acid, but it doesn't know that > it's > > avoiding a puddle of acid. Know-how is biological and know-that is > human. > > > > Doesn't it all just sort of dovetail together nicely? I feel like I'm > > getting a really solid metaphysical understanding (know-that) here. > > > > > >> > >> One can look at all patterns as 'conceptions', or one can look at > >> what patterns represent, their category or function. I can all too > >> easily toss it all off to conceptual vapor, and go chop wood. But I'm > >> curious to thoroughly understand how it works. If I can. It is not > >> unimportant to the way lives are lived. > >> > >> Am I weird? > >> > > > > > > Compared to normal people, probably. Compared to me and others on MD, > no. > > > > Chopping Wood? Today is the day for gardening. Nature beckons! > > > > take care, > > > > John > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 16, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >> > >>> Arlo, Marsha, > >>> > >>> Marsha, is your problem reacting to Arlo saying this is how it is - > >>> the insulting schoolmasterly impression - because you are missing that > >>> his sentences start with IF ? > >>> > >>> Just logical consequences of the statements of others. > >>> > >>> Ian > >>> > >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> [Marsha] > >>>> The > >>>> lament > >>>> is > >>>> based > >>>> on > >>>> a > >>>> misconception: > >>>> that > >>>> entities (self & object) > >>>> exist > >>>> independently. > >>>> > >>>> [Arlo] > >>>> Which is... TAADAA!.. SOM! If ALL intellectual patterns are SOM, this > is > >> NOT > >>>> a misconception, it is the NATURE of intellect. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
