Bodvar to Marsha: Right you are Marsha the intellectual level is SOM all the way, at least
S/O, the "M" is handed over to the MOQ. However, an "observation" on the "structure" part. You hold it lightly Marsha, and that's good, but it ought to be erased totally.
Marsha: I do not understand your point. In spite of my choice of words and phrases, it's Reality is Quality(unpatterned/patterned). Andre: Are you beginning to see what Bodvar is getting at Marsha?? Because of HIS definition of the intellectual level as SOM it indeed 'erases' everything else ( i.e any other way of representing immediate experience). YOU 'hold' the level 'lightly' because the interpretation (at the intellectual level) of immediate experience does not restrict itself to a S/O analysis as Bodvar will have it. He praises you for recognizing his own restriction imposed at this level (which is not yours) and argues from there that it needs 'to be erased totally'...so that his quality/hyper/super/rebel-level can be inaugurated. You, however show that this is a fallacious view. The only thing I can say at this stage Marsha is 'stick to your guns'. The whole notion of the evolutionary framework Mr. Pirsig has cast the MOQ in is that the emergence of one level 'above' the other is that it permits and has found more expressions of freedom. At the highest level (the intellectual one...short of DQ the absolute most freedom at this stage) Bodvar's SOL/SOM restricts this level to all the dichotomies Platt mentioned in his last post to me. This is an immoral act. Pure, immediate experience will and does not let itself be interpreted as a S/O representation only. As you are experiencing this, this is very short-sighted and not following the very basic premise of the MOW. It is not empirically sustainable...it is Bodvar's and not the MOQ's premise. ( it's a bbq...'bodvar buys quality' argument...) It is Value before anything else! For what it is worth. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
