Mary to Andre (& Steve),
It seeks to dominate the patterns valued by the level below.
Andre:
I prefer the use of 'dominate' and 'guide' when and where appropriate,
as Mr. Pirsig does.
Mary:
Once you have chosen to wield the analytical knife by dividing SQ into
subjects and objects your course is set and cannot be altered.
Andre:
In the MOQ subjects are social and intellectual patterns of value, objects are
inorganic and organic patterns of value.
I do not quite follow what point you are trying to make.
Mary:
The MoQ is an intellectual idea. Spawned in the mind of a man as steeped in
SOM as any;
Andre:
I think you are suggesting that the MOQ is 'out of' SOM. You know that I do not
agree with this argument.
Mary:
but, as with all that is new, we must ask what it values and
decide whether that agrees in value with the level from which it sprang.
Andre:
I'll let Mr. Pirsig describe the 'process':
'At first the truths Phaedrus began to pursue were lateral truths;no longer the
frontal truths of science, those toward which the discipline pointed, but the
kind of truth you see laterally, out of the corner of your eye...you start
looking laterally. That's a word he later used to describe a growth of
knowledge that doesn't move like an arrow in flight, but expands sideways, like
an arrow enlarging in flight...Lateral knowledge is knowledge that's from a
wholly unexpected direction, ...Lateral truths point to the falseness of axioms
and postulates underlying one's existing system of getting at truth. To all
appearances he was just drifting...Drifting is what one does when looking at
lateral truth. He couldn't follow any known method of procedure to uncover its
cause because it was these methods and procedures that were screwed up in the
first place. So he drifted'. (ZMM)
Mary:
I would suggest that the MoQ is a new idea that would defeat SOM and take
off on purposes of its own.
Andre:
And I suggest that the MOQ is Mr. Pirsig's 'root expansion of rationality'.
That which he set out to do in ZMM and finished in LILA. ZMM is about DQ (if
you like) and LILA is about SQ.
And what does it(i.e this intellectual pattern called MOQ)value? It values
Truth as a species of Good.
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org/md/archives.html
