On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: > Mary to Andre (& Steve), > > It seeks to dominate the patterns valued by the level below. > > Andre: > I prefer the use of 'dominate' and 'guide' when and where appropriate, as Mr. > Pirsig does. > > Mary: > > Once you have chosen to wield the analytical knife by dividing SQ into > subjects and objects your course is set and cannot be altered. > > Andre: > In the MOQ subjects are social and intellectual patterns of value, objects > are inorganic and organic patterns of value. > > I do not quite follow what point you are trying to make. > > Mary: > The MoQ is an intellectual idea. Spawned in the mind of a man as steeped in > SOM as any; > > Andre: > I think you are suggesting that the MOQ is 'out of' SOM. You know that I do > not agree with this argument. > > Mary: > but, as with all that is new, we must ask what it values and > decide whether that agrees in value with the level from which it sprang. > > Andre: > I'll let Mr. Pirsig describe the 'process': > 'At first the truths Phaedrus began to pursue were lateral truths;no longer > the frontal truths of science, those toward which the discipline pointed, but > the kind of truth you see laterally, out of the corner of your eye...you > start looking laterally. That's a word he later used to describe a growth of > knowledge that doesn't move like an arrow in flight, but expands sideways, > like an arrow enlarging in flight...Lateral knowledge is knowledge that's > from a wholly unexpected direction, ...Lateral truths point to the falseness > of axioms and postulates underlying one's existing system of getting at > truth. To all appearances he was just drifting...Drifting is what one does > when looking at lateral truth. He couldn't follow any known method of > procedure to uncover its cause because it was these methods and procedures > that were screwed up in the first place. So he drifted'. (ZMM) > > Mary: > I would suggest that the MoQ is a new idea that would defeat SOM and take > off on purposes of its own. > > Andre: > And I suggest that the MOQ is Mr. Pirsig's 'root expansion of rationality'. > That which he set out to do in ZMM and finished in LILA. ZMM is about DQ (if > you like) and LILA is about SQ. > > And what does it(i.e this intellectual pattern called MOQ)value? It values > Truth as a species of Good.
Andre, In the James quote is truth capitalized because it comes at the beginning of a sentence or because it represents an absolute truth? I consider static patterns of value to be truths, truths that are ever-changing, relative and impermanent. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
