Hi Ian, I'm very happy for you and your wife. It does my heart good to hear of a comfortable ever-after ending.
Tipper and Al Gore, are a couple everyone thought were still much in love. They were thought to be, especially after Bill Clinton, a model of the successful marriage. They were married at twenty and twenty-one. Supposedly this breakup was a surprise to most of their friends. Sorry about the pinhead remark. I was trying to get someone beside the most wise John to respond. I'm happy you did. I personally still do not think I would marry if I had it to do over again. Marriage is too difficult. The expectations that often accompany the marriage vows can sometimes ruin a good relationship. - Although it might be nice to have a wife to cook, clean and listen to my complaints. Marsha On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > As a non-inspector of non-pinheads Marsha, I'll give you my > non-intellectual story. > > My wife and I have been married a little under 30 years. For the years > between 10 and 25 we kinda developed an (mostly, but not entirely, > unspoken) understanding that once the kids flew the nest we would > probably split - like, what was the point staying together - christ, > you know it ain't easy - too many snags etc. > > But to our mutual surprise, we discovered that we actually liked each > other's company, doing things we like doing together, even though > there are also things we each like doing that the other wouldn't be > seen dead - posting on MD for example. It's not that the formality of > marriage provides anything other than some nominal stability for the > kids involved - like, they need it even if they don't know it - > therefore a valuable social (even biological) convention, but that a > life-long soul-mate has shared-values when all is said and done, and > it's values that matter. > > Regards > Ian > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi John, >> >> I like the story, but I like all your stories. >> >> At first I thought a discussion concerning Tipper and Al a bit stupid too. >> I agree; who cares? But it seems that the statistics point, not to the men >> buying themselves a new trophy wife, but to the women wanting the >> divorce, 60 - 70 percent. What's that about? It is mostly the wives >> breaking up this social institution? "We've grown apart.", the mommies >> are saying as they toss the guys out. >> >> The question today seems not to be 'Should a couple stay together for the >> kids?' >> It's more like, 'Should a couple get married for any reason?' Child support >> can >> be gotten with a dna test. Do today's kids care if their parents are >> married? >> Is marriage 'just' a social habit that has outgrown it usefulness? >> >> I wouldn't get married today, not at 20, 40 or 60. No way! >> >> I knew you would respond, John. You actually seem to have some real social >> concern. Where do the rest of you inspectors of pinheads stand? Do you see >> any value in the social pattern of marriage? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:07 PM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> Well I'll take a non-intellectual stab at your question, Marsha. One of my >>> favorite old couples in literature was Albert Durham and Hallie Ryder from a >>> book I can't rememer the name of right now, about a coyote named Brand X. >>> >>> Anyway, they were childhood sweethearts who'd grown up next door to one >>> another in a small town in Kansas, got married and had an only son who got >>> killed in WWII. So they pulled up stakes, Albert sold his painting >>> business, and they moved to an old mine in Arizona with a spring where every >>> evening, all the animals would come and gather, and that was pretty much >>> their social life. >>> >>> There was an old cabin on the claim, that appealed to Albert's spartan >>> tastes, whereas Hallie prefered the neat little travel trailer with >>> everything in its place, so they basically moved apart and avoided conflict >>> and thus in their old age, reverted back to their childhood pattern of being >>> next door neighbors. >>> >>> Their story always appealed to me, resonated with something that seems >>> right, that marriage doesn't have to follow any particular pattern to have >>> value. So Al and Tipper grew apart? So what? I think that's perfectly >>> natural and right. Nobody said we have to turn into carbon copies of each >>> other for the rest our lives, just because we partner up for raising kids >>> and supporting one another. What I don't get is why they have to divorce. >>> I mean, what's that about? The only reason they'd need to divorce is cuz >>> somebody wants to what? Get remarried and have more kids? Find true love? >>> Silly thing for an old fart to be chasing at this stage of his life. Poor >>> Al. Hollywood musta gone to his head. >>> >>> >>> John the anti-romantic >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> All the buzz on the radio, because of Tipper and Al Gore, is whether the >>>> institution of marriage >>>> is falling apart. Because of the expanded longevity, can two people be >>>> expected to commit >>>> 'until death do us part'? Fifty years with one man, or woman? That is a >>>> long time? With the >>>> divorce rate above 50%, should this social pattern survive, change, >>>> dissolve? >>>> >>>> What say you intellectuals about this social static pattern of value? >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
