John to Bodvar: Although, to be sure, I have had a recently concieved notion of my own, that your particular problem is predicated upon the fact that all definitions of DQ are static, and thus wrong. But I figured that's just a kindergarten formulation and you're probably way past that. So it must be something else bothering you.
If only I could figure it out, my life would be complete. Bodvar in reply: Well, it's the QUALITY/MOQ issue. Pirsig creates a great new reality(yes I mean it) which states that there is the DQ in which staticlevels have formed. OK, does not this suffice? Why postulate a stillmore dynamic dynamism of which the MOQ is a "static" pattern? Kindergarten has open day ;-) The "QUALITY/MOQ" meta-metaphysics is an uncalled for Gordic Knot tied by Pirsig. You say: "All definitions of DQ are static, and thus wrong." And I agree, but the MOQ does NOT define DQ apart from calling it DQ, so why must there be a greater DQ outside the DQ/SQ? If the great sin is the words, then the new super-Quality also requires another, and another .... ad infinitum. John: If only I could figure it out, my life would be complete. Bodvar: Agree Andre: And here lies the core of your trouble with the MOQ Bodvar...you come so close to understanding it. I have told you before but you simply ignore it.The 'great sin' has nothing to do with words. The great sin has to do with your interpretation. The MOQ does NOT include DQ!!! in the way you use it. I have told you many times that Mr. Pirsig, in LILA, uses DQ and Quality interchangeably but refers to two different perspectives!!! The use of DQ in LILA is the STATIC referent to Quality. As John points out: all definitions of DQ are static ( and therefore wrong...I prefer in this context 'misleading') and that is how Mr. Pirsig uses the term in LILA. It takes very careful reading. And this misreading has mislead you to twist the MOQ to such bits and pieces. There IS a greater DQ outside the DQ/SQ because DQ/Sq is the static, metaphysical representation, the finger pointing to... .DQ is the intellectual (static) referent to Quality!!! within the MOQ. To accommodate your 'intellect' you have to create a Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics and this is NOT a Gordic Knot spun by Mr. Pirsig. It has been created and maintained all by yourself. Problem with you Bodvar is that you do not realize that I just made your life 'complete' because you will not accept this and instead live in a metaphysical framework and think this is pure experience, pure Quality, pure existence...(and accusing me of still living in SOM...because the percolator keeps on burning itself out). Well be my guest. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
