[John] Arlo, I'm hearing you that you're not pleading for the papal bull on every detail of the MoQ, but just clarification on what Pirsig said. He said quite a lot, tho, and if we need his clarification to clear up his thought, will we not also then need clarification of his clarification?
[Arlo] I'd say we need clarification when camps with polar views can claim their interpretation is "what Pirsig means". If some people can claim an icon is a "hamster" and some people can claims its "cheese", then Peirce had better step up and explain himself a bit better. [John] I mean, you're already asking for Pirsig's authority on Pirsig's meaning. This could go on forever! Pirsig explaining what Pirsig meant when Pirsig said Pirsig's thoughts on Pirsig.... [Arlo] Seriously, what other author do we encourage to remain ambiguous, do we encourage to remain silent lest we fall pray to orthodoxy and papal bulls or endless rounds of explaining? [John] The sound of Pirsig's silence does not guarantee a quality MD, but it guarantees the condition for a quality MD. [Arlo] Again, what other author's ideas do we encourage silence from that author to "guarantee a quality" discussion? I think this misses the mark. Evolution (if we consider the MD to be a forum for such a thing) occurs BECAUSE OF clarity in the author's ideas, not IN SPITE of it! As I said, in order to critique Peirce's thirdness, I have to have a pretty firm handle on what Peirce meant by thirdness, or else the conversation struggles to advance. [John] That is, it opens up a space for us to express, which would be squelched by constant leaning toward authority. [Arlo] As Matt eloquently pointed out, this is not about "authority" in the sense of authority fixing belief, its about a necessary clarity to function as a springboard to expansion and critique. [John] What we do with that space is on us. [Arlo] Yeah, I think we are talking past each other a bit here. Our activity here, as advancing an evolutionary dialogue, is not hindered by clarity and precision by the author, it is aided by it. Ambiguity is the obstacle, not clarity. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
