Marsha and Andre. 27 June.:
Andre previously: > Bodvar says: nonsense the MOQ = Reality; the wafer = the body of > christ. The wafer = my experience of christ. Good luck Bodvar. > Marsha: > Limp, limp, limp... Andre has a point. When on the social level - and on the religon pattern - the wafer IS the body of Christ, while on the intellectual level it is an objective piece of bread imposed with subjective symbolic quality . This reflects Christendom's migration from an all-social pattern to an intellect-influenced one. I kind of feel sorry for Christendom because from intellect's S/O view it just looks like a slow succumbing to secularism while Islam stands out like much a more "brave" faith, what makes some fools convert (at least in this country) taking on some Arabic-sounding middle name and donning the hijab (head scarf) *) see footnote In the other words, when each level was "leading edge" it was REALITY - no symbolism. Once biology's dog-eat-dog morality was the highest and best, then came the social development where the various mythologies soon formed and the afterlife in Valhalla or among the Ancestors was no symbolic something it, it was REALITY itself. Then the intellectual development and the conviction that we only have subjective access to the objective world and now the intellect- interpreters of the MOQ are dead sure of it being another subjective theoretical - now called "static" - interpretation of an objective - now called "Quality" - reality. What's for sure is that the Quality Reality will have as many facets as SOM had and the example of the wafer as Christ's body on the social level and as mere matter (with symbolic quality) on the intellectual - i.e. all levels having had their hey-day as top notch and as such what defines reality - is just one among an infinite number of ways to see it. Looking back; After having entered the intellectual reality the effected mankind were still social beings, but their societies were fundamentally changed by their knowing the higher context and - likewise - after having entered the Quality Reality we will still be intellectual beings but that level will be fundamentally altered by the knowledge. But alas this will be a long haul, the majority of this discussion seems hell bent on the intellectual, symbolic MOQ, Bodvar *) This is another example of MOQ's explanatory power, but also an example that t it must be SOL-interpreted to achieve that power. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
