Hi Horse, All: After Pirsig specifically warned against issuing a Papal Bull, now we have one.
A triumph for political correctness. A sad day for free speech. Who would have imagined that a site guided by Dynamic Quality "whose only perceived good is freedom" would come to this? Regards, Platt On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Folks > > I've taken the weekend to think about the recent posts and conversations > with regard to Bo's continued misrepresentation of Pirsig's position re: > SOL. > > I think Arlo has summed up the position correctly when he said: > > ############################# > Arlo: > Bo's MOQ = the intellectual level IS SOM. > Pirsig's MOQ = the intellectual level is NOT SOM. > > Arguing one over the other is valid. Attempting to equate them, at the > expense of suggesting the author is too stupid to understand what he himself > "meant", is not. > ############################## > > To my mind (and that of the majority of others who have expressed their > views on MD) Pirsig has stated quite clearly that he does not see SOM/SOL as > the Intellectual level. This has been backed up by direct quotes from Lila's > Child and, in the absence of further evidence, it is reasonable to assume > that this is how Pirsig continues to see his position. > > As far as I'm aware, there are no corresponding quotes to show that Pirsig > does support SOM/SOL as the Intellectual level. This would mean that in > order to arrive at the position that he does support SOM/SOL = Intellectual > level one must use supposition, implication, inference etc. > Arguing this position in this way is valid but to say that it is Pirsigs > position that SOM/SOL = Intellectual level is not valid. > If direct quotes can be found to show that Pirsig supports SOM/SOL = > Intellectual level then I am quite prepared to change my position. By this I > do not mean that it is good enough to say that Pirsig implies it or that it > can be inferred that Pirsig supports it etc. I want actual quotes from > Pirsig to say that he supports SOM/SOL = Intellectual level. > > Bo, and those that support Bo's position that SOM/SOL = Intellectual level, > must make it quite clear that it is not Pirsigs position that SOM/SOL = > Intellectual level when arguing for this position. To do otherwise is > dishonest and misleading. > > Should Bo continue, as has done over the weekend, to insist and declare > that Pirsig supports the SOL, is the originator of the SOL etc. then he will > be removed from MD. Anyone else who maliciously, mischievously or otherwise > does the same will be similarly removed. > As far as I'm concerned this is an issue of honesty and integrity and if > this isn't understood by those purporting to understand an issue that is at > the heart of moral behaviour then some time may be needed to contemplate > their reasons for being here in the first place. I think it is very > unfortunate that it has come to this. > > I have said repeatedly that I do not want this to happen, but apparently it > is not understood by some and is instead misrepresented by trying to turn > this into a censorship issue. This is unfortunate but expected considering > that the majority of those claiming censorship are the very ones to whom > this position is of importance. > I believe that I have tried very hard to avoid this over the last few weeks > and,as such, will have absolutely no qualms about removing Bo or anyone else > should he/they continue to misrepresent Pirsigs position and will do so with > a clear conscience should this situation persist. > > > Horse > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
