Hi Platt
On 06/07/2010 13:09, Platt Holden wrote:
Hi Horse,
Twisting for political ends? More like intellect vs. social ends -- free
speech.
Only in the sense that your lower social/political purposes are
attempting to undermine the higher (and thus more moral) intellectual
purposes of this forum and my freedom to run it as I see fit and for the
purposes for which it was started - to discuss Robert Pirsigs MoQ and
not Bodvar Skutviks interpretation of the MoQ which Pirsig rejected many
years ago. I'm offering the opportunity to all who join this list to
freely discuss the MoQ as Pirsig described it and trying to stop the
anti-intellectual/social/political practices of deception,
misrepresentation, lies and dishonesty that you are trumpeting as the
Good. That's my job as moderator and one that I will continue to do to
the best of my abilities with or without Bo or anyone else who
deliberately and/or dishonestly distorts direct quotes from Pirsig in an
attempt to promote their own version of the MoQ.
As for addressing the issues you brought up, many of us have presented the
evidence you ask for. You refuse to see it, Mary's latest post dated July 6
being a case in point.
Incorrect - no-one that supports Bo's position has so far shown explicit
evidence that Pirsig supports Bo's position. I can't refuse to see what
has never been presented and Mary's post contains no quotes or evidence
whatsoever of Pirsig explicitly supporting SOM/SOL = Intellectual level,
whereas I have posted direct quotes from Pirsig in Lila's Child which do
explicitly reject SOM/SOL = Intellectual level.
From Lila's Child
Platt:
From the beginning of the Lila Squad, Bo has maintained that the
intellectual level is SOM (rationality, language, science). [129]
Pirsig:
129. I've always thought this is incorrect because many forms of
intellect do not have a subject-object construction.
There you are - one of several explicit quotes rejecting SOM/SOL =
Intellectual level and more are available if you need them. It's in
black and white and laid out for all to see. Note that he says "I'be
always thought this is incorrect..". Explicit rejection.
So where are your quotes (just one will do) that shows Pirsig explicitly
supporting SOM/SOL = Intellectual level.
Not implied, or inferred or interpretations or "what he really
means...." but actual quotes to show his support for SOM/SOL =
Intellectual level which will act as counter to his explicit rejection
above. Can anyone who supports Bo's version of the MoQ do this?
Ignoring evidence comes as no surprise. But, to adopt the tactics of the
thought police -- shocking.
And to adopt the tactics of Orwell's totalitarian inspired Newspeak on
an intellectual forum concerned with a moral philosophy that sees
deception, misrepresentation, lies and dishonesty as evil - not merely
shocking but unethical and utterly outrageous!
As I've already said Platt, just one explicit quote by Pirsig to show
his support for SOM/SOL = Intellectual level and I'll get out of the way.
Or will there just be more of the same empty bluster and dishonest
accusations of censorship, ignoring non-existent evidence, tactics of
the thought police etc. because so far that's all you've provided so
far. No evidence. No quotes. Nothing - except distraction and false
accusations.
Time to up your game and provide the quotes or do the decent thing and
admit you have nothing to show Pirsig's support for Bo's interpretation
of the MoQ.
Horse
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