Horse, I have been lurking for sometime, needless to say your post has nudged me out to write this.
For starters I would like to thank you for your managing of MD for long as I can remember. Your work has been rarely recognized in the thankless task you do. Thank you! Next, I believe you and others know that I have long time supporter of Bodvar's ideas in conjunction with Pirsig work in light of overwhelming criticisms. Both men in my life have provided me a perspective that provides a greater meaning and depth to life. We don't find at everyday. MD has been part making that happen so again thanks, Horse. I make it a point never to assume to understand what motivates people, simply because you will be wrong more times than you will be right. I don't know why you decided that this was the time to draw line in the sand with Bodvar. Though you and I briefly met in 2005 and this decree seems a bit out of character. My motivation for bringing this up is that after being involved in administration and leadership for 15 years, I know that when people have been critical of my various decisions and it was extremely hard not to take it personally, that is because we do the job because it is our passion and it is personal. Your passion with MD over the years is very real. However after reading your decision, I couldn't help but hear a few bars of Alice's Restaurant Massacre in the back ground of my mind playing. So I too feel the need to be a little critical of our new found MD policy and I want to make sure that this isn't anything personal with you or your abilities to manage MD. 1. Bodvar makes for a funny looking "brujo". 2. I known Bodvar for many years through this forum and in private correspondence and I do feel ok to assume to say that his motivation and loyality to both Pirsig and SOL are well founded and established. He cares deeply about Pirsig and his work as much of any of us. 3. One thing I have learned from this forum is that there is few if not any absolute truths, and at best we are dealing with relative truth. I think it is fair that the relative truth is that Pirsig hasn't come out and publicly support Bo position or ever will. I think it is also fair to say that Pirsig has very little to say publicly on any specific issue related to anything currently said on MD, including where the discussion on Bo's SOL idea has evolved. Frankly Pirsig has earned a quite retirement, and doesn't need to publicly do anything. To say, "By this I do not mean that it is good enough to say that Pirsig implies it or that it can be inferred that Pirsig supports it etc. I want actual quotes from Pirsig to say that he supports SOM/SOL = Intellectual level." this might be asking a bit much. However it is the journey that Pirsig has lead us in understanding SOM and MOQ can imply a lot of different things. I think the forum, including the newbies, can draw their own conclusions about the inferences and claims Bo or anybody else makes. 4. "Anyone else who maliciously, mischievously or otherwise does the same will be similarly removed. As far as I'm concerned this is an issue of honesty and integrity and if this isn't understood by those purporting to understand an issue that is at the heart of moral behaviour then some time may be needed to contemplate their reasons for being here in the first place. I think it is very unfortunate that it has come to this." Yikes! Bodvar malicious, never, mischievously, no more than any one of us. Honest and Integrity, Hmmm.... the relative truth as I see is Bodvar is as honest to his and Pirsig beliefs as any of us. It is has been the honesty and integrity of MD that has for as long as I can remember that has been it's backbone and strength in which we listen, learn and grow. I think Bo has done as much as anybody else in promoting a large array of discussions and depth of exploration about the implications. His potential banishment would be, from my humble perspective, certainly be overkill to any perceived or realized transgression. In the end I trust relative justice will be done and that is a pretty cool thing. Take care, Mati Arlo Guthrie's / Alice's Restaurant - (Officer) Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog. And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry, 'cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and the judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. And we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats not what I came to tell you about. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
