John to Andy: >> Consider that social interaction is communication from a self to an >> other, i.e. manipulation of symbols between subjects and objects. >> Otherness is created at level 3, not level 4. > > That there is a key point. However, I see the creation of symbolic > representation of otherness as a 3rd level phenomena and the manipulation of > those symbols the defining characteristic of the 4th.
Your concept of manipulating symbols is fine and well placed. I agree that static intellectual patterns require subjects and objects. But it is not what creates subjects and objects. By their creation a being evolves from 2 to 3. That is the boundary between [12] and [34]. Review this diagram: http://moq.org/forum/Pirsig/emm.html#page13 Static intellectual patterns, the ones we think with, are one thing. DQ is a whole other thing. You can't write a single word about it, nor even think a thought about it, and be correct. Andy Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
