Hi Arlo, What's the difference between "Ukraine" and "The Ukraine"?
Mary > > Hi Arlo (Ron also mentioned) > > On 12/07/2010 22:25, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > > [Arlo repeats] > > Why is the following such a seemingly alien concept for you, Platt > and > > Bo? > > > > (1) Bo's formulation for a metaphysics is a critical revision of > > Pirsig's metaphysics. > > > > (2) Bo might say "A metaphysics of Quality that holds the > intellectual > > level to SOM is better than A metaphysics of Quality that considers > > SOM to be one on many intellectual patterns", instead of "THE > > metaphysics of Quality holds the intellectual level to SOM". > > > > Why are you all so obsessively hung up on the word "THE", and what > > value do you think it has? > > > > Do you disagree with me that we use the phrase "THE metaphysics of > > Quality" as a conventional way of referring specifically to Pirsig's > > ideas, but that it would in fact be more accurate to say "Pirsig's > > metaphysics"? > > > > Do you not see that obsessing on the "THE" objectifies the "MOQ" into > > some "reality"... that even Pirsig can be "wrong" about? This makes > no > > sense. Pirsig can't be wrong about his ideas, but his ideas can be > > wrong. In the same way, Bo's ideas are not "THE MOQ", they are his > ideas. > > > > If we drop the word "THE", and instead simply talk about people's > > ideas, do you not see how all this interpretive nonsense and need for > > authoritative legitimacy would disappear? > > > > In other words, what do you think is wrong with saying "A metaphysics > > of Quality that holds the intellectual level to SOM is better than A > > metaphysics of Quality that considers SOM to be one on many > > intellectual patterns"? > > > > Does that not sum up your position? Why is it more important for you > > to say instead "THE metaphysics of Quality holds the intellectual > > level to SOM"? > > You've asked some good questions here and I think that it is incumbent > upon Bo and those that are defending his position to stop prevaricating > and answer these questions. If they are unwilling or unable to engage > in > a dialogue which questions their position or will not make > clarifications as to why there is a problem then maybe it's time to > give > up the pointless distractions and diversions and keep quiet. > > So to Bo, Platt, Marsha and Mary if you are unwilling to engage in this > conversation with Arlo then please state what your objections are as it > seems entirely reasonable to me that in order to defend this SOL/SIM > idea these questions would be as good a place as any to start. > Ron has also asked some good questions re:SOL/SIM so it would be good > if > he could repeat these questions so that the relevance of SOL/SIM to the > MoQ can be examined. > > In other word guys, it's time to either put up or shut up. > > Cheers > > Horse > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring > production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > - Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
