[Ian]
I didn't say procreation, it's about being an organism, sufficiently self-organizing to "reproduce, repair or rebuild" I must have said 5 or 6 times now.

[Arlo]
Interesting, Ian, I think I'm pretty much more or less in agreement with you here. Let me ask you (I think this has come up before, but its a fun and interesting topic), do you think a "computer virus" (that meets the criteria for self-replication) would count as a "biological pattern"?

Personally, I dislike the notion of grounding the biological level in being "carbon-based" or something like that. I like the idea of seeing the fractal boundary between inorganic and organic as being something like "inorganic patterns that have evolved a mechanism for self-replication". This way very early microbes and virii are "organic" not because of their "composition" but because of their "activity" (of course, I argue that this distinction holds true for all the levels- not defined by "composition" but by "activity").



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