On 21 Jul 2010 at 9:09, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote: [Platt] Unmanipulated? How about "directed," as in " . . . the decisions that directed the progress of evolution are, in fact, Dynamic Quality (Lila, 11)
[Arlo] Its metaphorical rhetoric that is horrible when taken literally. If you believe this, you turn the cosmos into a giant supermarionette show, where we are all just puppets driven by the direction of Qualigod. [Platt] Another example of your stance that Pirsig really doesn't mean what he says. How convenient for you. Anything that doesn't match your preconceptions is ignored or said to be "metaphorical." The "direction" of DQ is toward betterness. That's basic MOQ. [Arlo} And, jeez, you think Dynamic Quality makes "decisions"? How? Does it have a mind? Does it think too? Look, you want to follow your little Qualigod path, be my guest. [Platt} And if you want to remain stuck in purposeless SOM materialism, you're welcome to it. [Arlo] My entire point, to get back to it from all your distractions, is to point out that this is what Pirsig said about the emergence of intellect from biology. "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out of society, which originates out of biology which originates out of inorganic nature... There is no direct scientific connection between mind and matter. ... Our intellectual description of nature is always culturally derived." (LILA) Your reply to Ham bypassed this entirely an attempted only to replace "mind magically appearing from the brain" with "mind being poofed into existence onto the brain by DQ". [Platt] Show me where in my reply to Ham I said, "with mind being poofed into existence onto the brain by DQ" Anyway, no one argues that by MOQ lights intellectual patterns are independent of social patterns any more than breathing is independent of air. You keep beating a dead horse, to put in "metaphorically." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
