[Platt] Another example of your stance that Pirsig really doesn't mean what he says. How convenient for you. Anything that doesn't match your preconceptions is ignored or said to be "metaphorical."
[Arlo] I am outright when I disagree with Pirsig, unlike you. But in the context of his writing, I doubt he meant "directed" in any planning or orchestrated sense. To propose a force that "directs" evolution is simply to turn everything into non-agenic puppets. I see nothing in his writing that would imply, in any way, an intentional or volitional force that acts upon the cosmos with "direction". Instead I see Quality as being the enabling context, the experience of value, that enables patterns to "create" or "destroy" as they respond to this value. As you said, and I agreed, "Dynamic Quality" is that "catalyst" that enables creation to occur, but it does not "create" itself. [Platt] The "direction" of DQ is toward betterness. That's basic MOQ. [Arlo] This is our perception, yes, but along the way I doubt its been a steady progression. In any event, "direction" is what you see out of the back of the car window, "directing" is proposing an agenic driver who is orchestrating the path of the car. [Platt} And if you want to remain stuck in purposeless SOM materialism, you're welcome to it. [Arlo] Again with the "SOM materialism". If you're going to invent things to attack people with, Platt, at least learn to use the terms correctly. [Platt] Show me where in my reply to Ham I said, "with mind being poofed into existence onto the brain by DQ" [Arlo] You said the MOQ's response to "mind magically appearing from matter" was to propose Dynamic Quality. This implies only a substitution from "mind magically appearing" to "mind being poofed onto matter from Qualigod". You are correct, "mind does not magically appear from matter", as some have speculated. The MOQ corrects this NOT by positing some agenic Creator that "poofs" it there, or "directs" it to be there, but by placing the origination of intellectual patterns in the strata of social patterns. [Platt] You keep beating a dead horse, to put in "metaphorically." [Arlo] Glad you agree that intellect emerges from social patterns, an emergence made possible by the catalyzing foundation of Quality, not by the "direction" of some "creator" Qualigod. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
