On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:12 PM, david buchanan wrote: > > Marsha said: > ...because RMP has clearly stated that there are many truths, and in regards > to philosophy a position can be both true and false, and that truth is > relative, I am correct to stick with what I know from my own experience. > > dmb says: > > Well, Marsha, as I keep pointing out, you have confused Buddhism with > fascism. Your understanding of the MOQ turns it into relativist nightmare. > Like I said to John, you have confused diversity with promiscuity. I mean, > wanting lots of different opinions is not the same thing as dropping our > standards of quality to accommodate every opinion. That's just intellectual > debauchery. > > "If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories and those who claim to > be the bearers of objective immortal truth ... then there is nothing more > relativistic than Fascist attitudes and activity... From the fact that all > ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the > modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself > his own ideology and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he > is capable." (Benito Mussolini, 1921) > > Part of the problem is that you define static patterns as ever-changing. > That's like defining stable to mean unstable. It's just plainly wrong. There > is DQ and there is sq and "ever-changing" is a good description of just one > of them and it isn't the latter. There is a 50-50 chance of getting that > right but you blew it. > > > > This is a philosophy forum, you know? Killing static intellectual patterns > has it's place but not during a philosophy discussion. That would be like > touting the virtues of fasting during a feast or expressing the joy of dance > at a funeral. It's just insensitive to the point of obliviousness. It's like > pooping in the punch bowl. You might feel liberated but that's not > enlightenment. You're using "meditation" as cover so you don't have to play > by the same rules as everyone else. > You're too enlightened for philosophy? Jeez, I think you flatter yourself way > too much. >
Marsha: Think about patterns. They are not individual independent things. They are value events. Some patterns are repeated millions of times. Each event is slight different dependent on an individual's unique history and the immediate dynamic experience. When I state patterns are ever-changing that is what I mean. The static event has a beginning, a middle and an end, and each static event is different. They are ever-changing. Depending of the circumstances, a pattern may be broad or tight. It can be so much more or so much less than a dictionary definition, but SOM needs exact definition, intellect desires exact definition, and they are related. This is why I understand the MoQ to be beyond intellectual patterns, and like QP beyond common sense and beyond language. I believe RMP to have given us the MoQ in an intellectual form because it is all he had available, BUT he is pointing beyond what an intellectual pattern can express. imho ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
