Bo asked:... And moreover who says that SQ are "static concepts"? except DMB.
dmb says:
MOQers, this is a great example of why it is completely pointless to discuss
anything with Bo. He asked the question just a few days after I showed BO that
James and Pirsig both say what static concepts are. Further, it is a passage
from Lila that I have quoted and explained many, many times.
"...he [James] meant that subjects and objects are not the starting points of
experience. Subjects and objects are secondary. They are CONCEPTS derived from
something more fundamental which he described as 'the immediate flux of life'
... James had condensed this description to a single sentence: 'There must
always be a discrepancy between CONCEPTS and reality, because the former are
STATIC and discontinuous while the latter is dynamic and flowing.' Here James
had chosen exactly the same words Phaedrus had used for the basic subdivision
of the MOQ. ...Value, the pragmatic test of truth, is also the primary
empirical experience. The MOQ says pure experience is value. ...Value is at the
very front of the empirical procession."
Further, Bo keeps misinterpreting the relationship between DQ and sq AS IT IS
EXPLAINED IN THIS PASSAGE. As any literate person should be able to see, Pirsig
and James are both saying that subject and objects are BOTH static concepts.
That is to say neither are dynamic. Bo thinks that I think DQ is equal to an
objective reality and sq is equal to subjective mind. Nope. That not what James
or Pirsig or I am saying. Subject and objects are both static concepts. DQ can
NOT be equated to either of them because they are BOTH derived from DQ.
Does anyone, other than the usual suspects, have any problem grasping this?
It's just so clear and simple to me that I'm a bit stunned that anyone could
fail to see it, let alone fail year after year after year. Is there something
confusing about that passage?
Calling all sane people, calling all sane people. I need a reality check.
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