Hello dmb, Horse, Magnus, Arlo, et al, The problem is not with the word 'static'. The problem is with the word 'concepts'.
The levels are not 'concepts'. Best, Mary > On 26/07/2010 19:30, david buchanan wrote: > > Bo asked:... And moreover who says that SQ are "static concepts"? > except DMB. > > > > > > dmb says: > > MOQers, this is a great example of why it is completely pointless to > discuss anything with Bo. He asked the question just a few days after I > showed BO that James and Pirsig both say what static concepts are. > Further, it is a passage from Lila that I have quoted and explained > many, many times. > > That's SIMian logic for you Dave - in severe danger of disappearing > up > it's own ineptitude. > Bo's version of the MoQ is so incredibly mangled that I don't believe > that anyone who adheres to it has the faintest chance of making sense > of > what Pirsig has said in his writings. And given the general level of > nonsense created in support of Bo's version this appears to be the > case. > The passage you quote seems to be very clear in what it says but > explaining this to Bo is pointless because he has no interest in seeing > anything in any way other than in terms of his SIMian interpretation. A > consequence of this is that what you say will be similarly distorted > because it doesn't conform to Bo's interpretation and therefore ends up > mangled in the same way as almost everything that Pirsig has said. > > Could I interest you in a nice hard wall against which you can bang > your > head - it feels so much better when you stop! > > Horse > > On 26/07/2010 19:30, david buchanan wrote: > > Bo asked:... And moreover who says that SQ are "static concepts"? > except DMB. > > > > > > dmb says: > > MOQers, this is a great example of why it is completely pointless to > discuss anything with Bo. He asked the question just a few days after I > showed BO that James and Pirsig both say what static concepts are. > Further, it is a passage from Lila that I have quoted and explained > many, many times. > > > > > > "...he [James] meant that subjects and objects are not the starting > points of experience. Subjects and objects are secondary. They are > CONCEPTS derived from something more fundamental which he described as > 'the immediate flux of life' ... James had condensed this description > to a single sentence: 'There must always be a discrepancy between > CONCEPTS and reality, because the former are STATIC and discontinuous > while the latter is dynamic and flowing.' Here James had chosen exactly > the same words Phaedrus had used for the basic subdivision of the MOQ. > ...Value, the pragmatic test of truth, is also the primary empirical > experience. The MOQ says pure experience is value. ...Value is at the > very front of the empirical procession." > > > > Further, Bo keeps misinterpreting the relationship between DQ and sq > AS IT IS EXPLAINED IN THIS PASSAGE. As any literate person should be > able to see, Pirsig and James are both saying that subject and objects > are BOTH static concepts. That is to say neither are dynamic. Bo thinks > that I think DQ is equal to an objective reality and sq is equal to > subjective mind. Nope. That not what James or Pirsig or I am saying. > Subject and objects are both static concepts. DQ can NOT be equated to > either of them because they are BOTH derived from DQ. > > > > Does anyone, other than the usual suspects, have any problem grasping > this? It's just so clear and simple to me that I'm a bit stunned that > anyone could fail to see it, let alone fail year after year after year. > Is there something confusing about that passage? > > > > Calling all sane people, calling all sane people. I need a reality > check. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars > with Hotmail. > > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid= > PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring > production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > - Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
