[DMB] MOQers, this is a great example of why it is completely pointless to discuss anything with Bo.
[Arlo] As I said the other day to Adrie, its a genre conflict, with you speaking from the "academic" genre and Bo and the SIMians relying on the distortions and dishonesty of "talk-radio". This is all they have. Intellectually, Bo's pet theory is nowhere. Its appeal has always been emotional. And while the emotional appeal ranges a love of zen to a hatred of intellect to a need to declare moral superiority over the "social" others of the world, it all boils back to an "argument" sustained only by anti-intellectual emotionalism. You are trying to speak "academically" to people who hold the word "academic" to be a pejorative. You are trying to argue for the expansion of rationality to people who wish to condemn rationality. And you expect rationality from them? [DMB] Does anyone, other than the usual suspects, have any problem grasping this? It's just so clear and simple to me that I'm a bit stunned that anyone could fail to see it, let alone fail year after year after year. Is there something confusing about that passage? [Arlo] Bo's understanding of Pirsig has always been weak at best. I am sure he thinks he is onto something, and I've encouraged him to take his argument to valid ground, to champion the stance that HIS ideas are BETTER than Pirsig's. But it should not be a surprise that he doesn't understand the passages you keep posting. [DMB] Calling all sane people, calling all sane people. I need a reality check. [Arlo] Just as he misunderstood our recent dialogue about precessional calculations (with several comments!), Bo is trapped in a prison of interpretative legitimacy, and sees only that which allows him to say that HE speaks for Pirsig (which has now devolved to 'pre-hospitalized Pirsig'... or Platt's ridiculous "hey, he didn't say he didn't change his mind, so he might have!"). Platt's recent comments about harmony are, at least, a step toward the valid ground, the argument they SHOULD be having about whose ideas are BETTER and importantly WHY, but we will have to wait to see if it goes anywhere, or it too devolves back into the pit of interpretative legitimacy. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
