Craig said:
IMHO Pirsig is speaking metaphorically here & still holds the MoQ view that
higher levels emerge from lower. A description & structuring of reality is
something that humans do. But experience thru interaction is something patterns
at all levels do, even before there were humans.
dmb says:
Yes, again, that's what common sense tells you but the MOQ challenges that
common view. The idea that matter came before ideas is a really good idea but
it's still just an idea. In fact, "matter" is a concept. This idea is so good
that it fits right into the static levels, which describe reality as a
evolutionary process. But this is not to be taken as a re-assertion of
objectivity or the metaphysics of substance, not to be taken too literally.
Don't forget how the whole thing starts; with ghost stories, ghosts like
gravity. I think it's still the first day of the journey in the first book when
he explains how ridiculous it is to think that gravity existed before human
beings, especially before a particular human named Newton.
(His pals called him "Fig"and laughed about it but he never once thought it was
funny.)
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