"We invent earth and heavens, "stones and oceans, gods, ..civilization and science". (Pirsig)
[dmb] > "matter" is a concept. But are inorganic patterns of value, concepts? If so, we have the absurdity of a pattern being on the 1st & also the 4th level. [dmb] > it is ridiculous to think that gravity existed before human beings, > especially before a particular human named Newton. [ian] > MoQ says they were always interacting patterns of > quality. Consider: 1) God created mountains 2) Humans created mountains 3) Interaction between tectonic plates & subterranean eruptions created mountains. Which sound like fiction, which like fact? Remember the Platypus! Humans debated whether it was a furry reptile or an egg-laying mammal. The platypus (unlike a beaver) didn't give a dam. There is another sense to humans creating mountains: the distinction between hills & mountains. What determines whether something is a hill or a mountain? The 5 billion meter tall cyclops of Zargon IX find the earth to be smooth, without hills or mountains. So are hills & mountains in the "mind of the beholder"? Only their description. Craig Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
