Krimel the Obscure. 3 Aug. :
[Bo] before > Mary, does not deny the fact that words are concepts, she just says > that the levels aren't concepts. I.e. that DMB's Jamesian "Dynamic > Flux/Concepts" doesn't correspond to MOQ's "Dynamic/Static". [Krimel] > Not only is level a concept it is a concept that aids us in organizing > other concepts. It is a structural component of a conceptual schema. > James breaks it down into percepts and concepts. I agree with that. I > also thing this maps pretty well onto the static/dynamic split. Dave > for unspecified reasons resists equating dynamic flux with perception > but he has been slowly moving in the right direction just give him > some more time. You mean that the term "level" is a word and as such a concept - an abstract? Yes, in SOM, but the MOQ rejects all S/Os including its pre/post language (concrete/abstract) one, thus James' "Percepts/Concepts" do NOT match MOQ's DQ/SQ. The levels are not concepts, they are STATIC value. But it pleases me that you agree with DMB (all obfuscators rounded up to be branded :-) "Perception" if that mean sense experience different from after things have been given "Conceptual" names is just more SOM: "Out there" are no qualities, all such are added "in here" by the subject. [Bo] > Language is the sea we swim in and cannot be used as any > metaphysical basics. [Krimel] > This is just a catch phrase for you. The fact that we are immersed in > language does not mean we can just ignore that fact; nor does it > prevent us from using language in philosophy and metaphysics. Neither > would be possible without language. In fact philosophy and metaphysics > are just those parts of the intellectual level which allow us to > inquire into the nature and meaning of language and into the nature > and meaning of "nature" and "meaning." Recursion, you see? That's' the > meaning of "meta", BTW. Again, I did not deny any of these your trite "observations", I only said that pre/post language cannot be used as a metaphysics (fundamental) divide because it ends in paradoxes, any pre-language something must be conveyed by language. Exactly as the Subject/Object is useless because the objects are contained in the subject. Let this sink in. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
