On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Krimel wrote: > [Marsha] > This is my favorite thing to think about. A pattern, to my understanding, > is held > only in bits and pieces in a single individual, making it definitely > relative. A > pattern has breadth and depth, as in its past existence and across many, > many > individuals. It does not exist in its entirety within one mind as a fully > formed > concept, but is, indeed, a collective, pattern of value. > > What do you think about this assessment? > > [Krimel] > I think duration is a more salient feature of "pattern" that breadth or > depth. I also think that "pattern" as a concept is the product or our > interaction with the world not a necessary feature of the world. We are > biologically programmed to detect patterns. There are features of the retina > for example that pick out edges and line. Or as another example we detect > motion via the "patterns" of neural firing as light excites neural along a > trajectory in sequence.
Marsha: Ahhh, but the available information our apparatus detects is only a small portion and configured in a particular arrangement. And many of our patterns, like photons and atoms and spin, are models of thought. > All of our sense are tuned to do something like this in one form or another. > > But I see those "patterns" as Tits. The particular arrangements of primal > stuff may be out their but it is our perception and use of them that makes > them into patterns. Marsha: I understand those patterns as ever-changing and insubstantial and codependent on causes and conditions. > > I am not so sure about the no single mind can contain a fully formed concept > though. Mine contains lots of them. But if you mean something like it is > impossible to transfer them in their completeness for one mind to another, > then sure. Marsha: I mean there is not an absolute boundary to a pattern. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
