Arlo said to dmb:
Those who fear "recursion" seem to think that affixing a new level above
intellect solves their recursive nightmares, but I think you can see where this
will go, it does not. If we construe a new level, say "the MOQ level" above the
intellectual level, and say "the levels are MOQ patterns of value", one can
simply ask, "what type of pattern of value is the MOQ level itself"?
dmb says:
Right, people suffering from this recursive nightmare would do well to simply
wake up and smell the coffee. The idea of a new level above the intellectual
level is completely ridiculous, don't you think? The levels are supposed to
divide everything that would be found in the most complete encyclopedia. It is
a conceptual scheme that organizes everything we know of. Adding a new level to
this is, in effect, adding a category of reality that does not exist in any
encyclopedia. The only that that is NOT described by the four levels is DQ
itself, is the directly lived experience.
This fake problem is a result of thinking that the levels ARE reality itself
rather than an intellectual description. And within that description, Pirsig
asserts the idea that there is more than one way to describe these things. But
you know all this already, Arlo. I'm just lending some support.
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