[Bo] Arlo wants us to tell him what the levels are! Wow, after all these years he is still at that stage!
[Arlo] What I want, Bo, is for you to tell me if the "levels" are static patterns of value or not. [Bo] Pirsig says that all things, phenomena ..etc. are to be found inside the levels, these and DQ are all there are, thus Arlo's weird logic finds that the levels themselves - the classification term "level" - must be some new category, neither static nor dynamic. [Arlo] What a magnificent Pee-Wee! Of course I think the "levels" are static patterns of value, well within Pirsig's statement that all things are SQ of some sort other than DQ itself. Are you now admitting that the "levels" themselves are static patterns of value!? [Bo] Mary did not say that the classification "intellectual" is an intellectual pattern, she merely concluded that you yearned for that reply... [Arlo] So the "classification" is NOT an intellectual pattern of value? Is it a pattern of value at all? If so, what kind? You just said above that all things must be either DQ or SQ, so what is a "classification" if it is neither of these things? You see, it is you who keep adding "weird" new metaphysical categories. [Bo] Do we hear Aristotle's SOM reverberating down through the millennias "An intellectual (read: subjective) description of objective Quality". [Arlo] You obviously hear all kinds of voices in your head, Bo, but I never said intellectual was subjective and Quality was objective. That is YOUR hang-up. Not mine. What I said was "all this is just an analogy". All metaphysical descriptions of 'reality' are just that, attempts to define the indefinable. The sad thing here is that you are guilty of the very objectification you accuse me of. You have objectified "the MOQ" to the point of deification, where it is no longer an analogy but reality itself. The metaphysics of Quality are what Pirsig called his metaphysical speculations, ideas about the "nature of reality". Quality is neither subjective nor objective. It precedes that metaphysical distinction. Patterns of value are what solidify in the wake of Quality, and of these are intellectual descriptions of the always indefinable Quality, one of which is Pirsig's metaphysical musings. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
