[Magnus] I'm confused, first you agree with Frank who said: [Krimel] Yes, you are but I think that's because this is confusing. After 10 or so years of having it explained to him Bo never got it, after all.
[Magnus] But now, you say that the universe did exist before anyone had conceptualized it. [Krimel] Isn't this the point of Pirsig's gravity example? Gravity is a signifier that points to a set of patterns in the world. I do believe that things fell to earth prior to Newton and at more or less that same accelerating rate that he clocked. But the concept of gravity was a new thing under the sun when he wrote it down. [Magnus] Does it still exist outside of our concepts of it? Or did it seize to exist when we conceptualized it? [Krimel] I would say yes that something undefined is going on whether we see it or not or whether we have concepts about it or not or whether our concepts are right or wrong. Shit still happens regardless of whether or how we think about it. [Magnus] I think you need to decide which. You seem to be taking both sides now. [Krimel] I decided long ago but despite what anyone tells you I hold open the possibility of changing my view. Never-the-less this is one of my chief bitches against the AWGI faction. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
