You conflated "animal" with "mammal" and my point for some time has been that mammalian awareness is a process which produces socialization.
And it's not that babies have eye contact, it's that they actively seek it in active a process. Socialization process, to be exact. Mammals. Not animals. Protozoans and reptiles need not apply. John On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 4:55 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote: > > Babies are becoming socialized the minute their born, because the baby has > eye contact with the mom? > > Well, if we can't even agree about that then it's no wonder there is so > much disagreement on where to divide the levels. > > I'm just stunned. I don't even know how to respond to that. I mean, doesn't > every mammal on earth have a responsive mother? It's just so obviously an > animal trait that I can't believe anyone could dispute that. > > > > > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:23:33 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] TiTs and the Illusion of SOM > > > > dmb, > > > > dmb says: > > > Well, babies are tuned to the environment like every other living thing > but > > > this is biological, not social. I think it's safe to say that > socialization > > > takes place after we're born. > > > > > > > Socialization starts after we're born. Obviously. There's nobody around > to > > socialize with before we're born. Within the first minute, a baby's gaze > is > > on it's mother's eyes. You can draw a circle and put two dots > corresponding > > to where the eyes should be, put it on the wall and that's where an > infant's > > gaze will lock. They have a built-in urge to socialize. So I guess > it's a > > matter of quibbling over labeling then. Since they are attempting to > > socialize, I'd call that a socialization process. Since it's built-in, > you > > say it's on the biological level. > > > > Po-tay-toe, Po-tah-toe. > > > > I haven't had much college, but I've had a lot of babies. > > > > John > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
