Strange Krimel, that you mention the myelin problem, i'm having it in my schoulder ,the dokters feared that i had MS at first, but it remained local, turned out to be triggered by living on my bycicle, RSI so to speak. so badly damaged myelinenveloppe's on my nerves , pain all the time, glad it turned out not to be MS. But the damage is irreversible, no repair anymore.
I hope i can find the part back from the squidpage referring to the presence of braincells within the arms. This machine is hopeless..... greetzz, Adrie 2010/8/27 Krimel <[email protected]> > Adrie, > Squids and the like are a fascinating subject. Their neurons work very > differently from ours. Speed is an important factor in the transmission of > neural impulses. As you should know there is an electrical and a chemical > part to neural functioning. There are two ways to speed up the flow of > neural firing. The one we use us to wrap the neuron fibers with a coating > of > fatty cells called myelin. This provides insulation and a serious speed > boost. About two years ago my immune system decided my myelin was tasty and > ate it. That sucked but fortunately is seems to be able to repair itself > which I think is nice. It is an interesting experience to have your nervous > system crap out. Everything kind of tingles like its fallen asleep and you > can't wake it up or even shake it. > > A second way to speed neurons up is just to make them bigger. That's what > squids do. In fact giant squids can have individual nerve cells that are as > much as a millimeter in diameter. Eric Kandel studied the nervous systems > of > sea slugs because they have a relatively small number of these relatively > large neurons. He got a Nobel for figuring out that memory works by > increasing the efficiency of the action of neurotransmitters across the > synapse (the chemical part of nerve activity.) It is kind of like explorers > blazing a trail through the impenetrable Amazon. The first explorer makes a > narrow path which each successive explorer widens until a path becomes a > dirt road, which gets paved and widened... That's kind of a bad metaphor > since it implies increased size to allow efficiency. Maybe it's more like > pouring water on a playground slide. IDK, something like that anyway. > > Krimel > > -----Original Message----- > From: ADRIE KINTZIGER [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Social level for humans only > > Yep, Krimel_o,probably it passed by the MoQ-ers eye's some time ago, > But in an interaction with Arlo , i launched a link once , some time ago, > about intellect in > Cephalopods , Squids so to speak, the complete group;..to provide some > evidence of my earlier statement that > the intellect in animals differs from zero-- > In that specific link, one was able to read that the brain of some squids > is different from other brains , in so far , that > parts of the neural network , part of the brain, part of the neural cell's > are in fact residing in the arms of the cephalopods. > Strangely they seem to be there as stand alone entity's. > But of course , this only appears to be so. > nobody knows until today what the function is of this differentiated > neurons > in the arms, but if they are having a mirror function for > touch and recognition, then this points out towards intellect outside of > the > brain..try to imagine the implications. > > cephalopods owning a handshake verification-protokol that exchanges info , > like a personal area network., interacting with other ceph.... > good , aint it? > And BTW, newly discovered is always controversial, as Darwin found out , in > evolution. > > If i stumble upon the link again i will relaunch it. > > > 2010/8/27 Krimel <[email protected]> > > > Dave and Adrie, > > Mirror neurons are new and slightly controversial but it is an > > extraordinarily interesting idea. It helps explain for example empathy > and > > how 30 min. old newborns can imitate adult facial expressions. They > > highlight several problems that have been kicking around the MoQ lately > as > > well. > > > > First is the idea that consciousness is king. Mirror neurons are yet > > another > > example of a non-conscious process taking place outside of awareness and > > yet > > heavily influence both our behavior and our "attitudes". > > > > A second interesting point is that they show how memory and conscious > > processes are not just restricted to the brain. As James points out the > > whole body is involved. Our memories are not recorded simply as sight and > > sound but as physical sensation and emotional commitments. > > > > Krimel > > -------------------------------------- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:33 AM > > To: MoQ > > Subject: Re: [MD] Social level for humans only > > > > On 8/27/10 10:04 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >[Adrie said] > > > There is a lot to find i think on wiki-- The triggering switches are > > called > > > "mirror neurons" > > > It is still terra incognita for most part, everybody seems to have this > > > mirror neurons, they fire simultaniously > > > and fast if a behaviour is observed.i was aware of it briefly. > > > > Yeah this is a nice piece on the implications which correlates quite > nicely > > with my theory that "designing" may have been as or more fundamental in > > intellectual development as language. > > > > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/ramachandran/ramachandran_index.html > > > > Dave > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
