I said it was propaganda. I also say "surrendering" health care is
propaganda.
If you ain't reading the replies you do get, what's the point ?
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 17:31, [email protected] wrote:
Horse,
Who says "death panel" is propaganda? Who says it's "emotive
nonsense?"
I don't recall that this has "been over in the past." Can you
refresh my
memory? Thanks.
Platt
On 13 Sep 2010 at 15:50, Horse wrote:
Platt
Would you please keep your 'Death Panel' propaganda away from the
MD list.
We've been over this in the past and there is no need to bring this
sort
of nonsense into the discussion.
If you have concerns about this then there should be no problem in
raising these concerns without the need to resort to this sort of
emotive nonsense.
All that will happen is that there will be a shouting match about
'Death
Panels', nothing will be gained or resolved and I will have to step
in
and halt the conversation (which I will do) after much time and
energy
is wasted.
Horse
On 13/09/2010 15:35, [email protected] wrote:
All:
In a conversation reported in the Guardian.uk scientists David
Attenborough and
Richard Dawkins were asked, "What is the most difficult ethical
dilemma facing
science today:?
"DA: How far do you go to preserve individual human life?
RD: That's a good one, yes.
DA: I mean, what are we to do with the NHS? How can you put a
value in pounds,
shillings and pence on an individual life? There was a case with a
bowel cancer
drug -- if you gave that drug, which costs several thousand
pounds, it
continued life for six weeks on. How can you make that decision?"
How would the MOQ make that decision? There's no direct answer
that I can find
in Pirsig's writings. I presume that if the patient was of sound
mind and, from
his past history, could potentially offer something of
intellectual value
during the remaining six or so weeks of his life, he should
receive the drug.
Otherwise, the social value of his life would rule which, as the
Giant would
judge, isn't worth a pence. Biologically the poor soul would be
best recycled.
What's really horrendous about the question is that in the NHS and
now
potentially in the U.S. such questions are all too real with life
and death
decisions in the hands of a government committee, i.e., a death
panel. I don't
know about you, but the thought of my government determining
whether I live or
die makes me sick. It's as if Joe Stalin was resurrected.
When you surrender such personal decisions to the government, not
only is your
life threatened, but DQ, the creative force of evolution, dies,
too. Perhaps,
the MOQ answer is just that -- take responsibility for your own
life so DQ can
flourish.
The interview is at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/11/science-david-attenborough-
richard-dawkins
Regards,
Platt
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