Thanks for the reference. I shall do as you suggest to see who was raising objections to the term, "death panel.".
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Platt > I'm saying that your use of the term is both propaganda and emotive > nonsense. > The discussion in question occurred around the end of August 2009. > Read the threads and refresh your memory - a lot of time and bandwidth was > wasted then and I don't particularly want a re-run of it now. > I'm asking nicely at the moment. > > Horse > > > On 13/09/2010 16:31, [email protected] wrote: > >> Horse, >> Who says "death panel" is propaganda? Who says it's "emotive nonsense?" >> I don't recall that this has "been over in the past." Can you refresh my >> memory? Thanks. >> >> Platt >> >> >> On 13 Sep 2010 at 15:50, Horse wrote: >> >> Platt >>> Would you please keep your 'Death Panel' propaganda away from the MD >>> list. >>> We've been over this in the past and there is no need to bring this sort >>> of nonsense into the discussion. >>> If you have concerns about this then there should be no problem in >>> raising these concerns without the need to resort to this sort of >>> emotive nonsense. >>> All that will happen is that there will be a shouting match about 'Death >>> Panels', nothing will be gained or resolved and I will have to step in >>> and halt the conversation (which I will do) after much time and energy >>> is wasted. >>> >>> Horse >>> >>> On 13/09/2010 15:35, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> All: >>>> >>>> In a conversation reported in the Guardian.uk scientists David >>>> Attenborough and >>>> Richard Dawkins were asked, "What is the most difficult ethical dilemma >>>> facing >>>> science today:? >>>> >>>> "DA: How far do you go to preserve individual human life? >>>> >>>> RD: That's a good one, yes. >>>> >>>> DA: I mean, what are we to do with the NHS? How can you put a value in >>>> pounds, >>>> shillings and pence on an individual life? There was a case with a bowel >>>> cancer >>>> drug -- if you gave that drug, which costs several thousand pounds, it >>>> continued life for six weeks on. How can you make that decision?" >>>> >>>> How would the MOQ make that decision? There's no direct answer that I >>>> can find >>>> in Pirsig's writings. I presume that if the patient was of sound mind >>>> and, from >>>> his past history, could potentially offer something of intellectual >>>> value >>>> during the remaining six or so weeks of his life, he should receive the >>>> drug. >>>> Otherwise, the social value of his life would rule which, as the Giant >>>> would >>>> judge, isn't worth a pence. Biologically the poor soul would be best >>>> recycled. >>>> >>>> What's really horrendous about the question is that in the NHS and now >>>> potentially in the U.S. such questions are all too real with life and >>>> death >>>> decisions in the hands of a government committee, i.e., a death panel. I >>>> don't >>>> know about you, but the thought of my government determining whether I >>>> live or >>>> die makes me sick. It's as if Joe Stalin was resurrected. >>>> >>>> When you surrender such personal decisions to the government, not only >>>> is your >>>> life threatened, but DQ, the creative force of evolution, dies, too. >>>> Perhaps, >>>> the MOQ answer is just that -- take responsibility for your own life so >>>> DQ can >>>> flourish. >>>> >>>> The interview is at: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/11/science-david-attenborough- >>>> richard-dawkins >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Platt >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>> - Frank Zappa >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
