Krim,
Gimme one example of "bitching about topics raised". I've barely corresponded recently, until last day or so.

You'll have to decode all that coding stuff. I use shorthand for brevity, not to offend, on the basis that we have a lot of dialogue behind us already.
Ian

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On 13 Sep 2010, at 19:07, "Krimel" <[email protected]> wrote:

Then how about you leave the channel instead of bitching about people raising topics you don't care to hear about. Obviously, people here have a right to say whatever Horse thinks is ok but you are just whining. I find your code talking offensive. Over use of punctuation and ending sentences with some presumed inside knowledge, it is smug pretentious drivel that require enormous effort to delete. As Frank might say, "Flush you and the horse you rode in on".
Krimel

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 12:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]

:-) Not silence Krim, appropriate channels, my opinion. I explained
explicitly - personal problems / insults - md is the wrong channel.

Ps people do not have the right to say "whatever they want"
Ian

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On 13 Sep 2010, at 18:22, "Krimel" <[email protected]> wrote:

Since when have you become the fucking thought police. People here
have a right to say whatever the hell they want; at least until
recently when people are being bullied into silence. I know that
Horse does a great job here but WTF? Even crazy tinfoil hat dude
ought to be able to speak his mind as far as I am concerned. Same
for crazy Squonk and obnoxious Bradford. Those aren't my calls and
I'll live with a few more objectionable decisions of that sort but
for Christ sake if you don't like what people say explain why or
ignore and delete.

The alternative, a path we are rapidly traveling, is to silence all
comment and then your frickin' inbox will be pristine. In the mean
time take that fucking iPhone and shove it in your outbox.

Krimel



-----Original Message-----
From: Ian [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]

And Marsha you just aimed a "trashy little insult" at dmb. You got a
personal problem, take it offline, to the moderator ... Or a
confidant.

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On 13 Sep 2010, at 17:00, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:


Horse,

Having been on the receiving end of one of dmb's trashy little
posts full of insults, I was a bit sensitive to the tactic.  But I
get
your message loud and clear.  It won't happen again on my
part.



Marsha




On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Horse wrote:

[Message from MD Administrator]

I agree completely with Adrie here.
Emails that are sent off-list should remain off-list.
If they are to be posted to the list then ALL participants should
agree to their being published on MD AND they should run it past me
first.
If there is some particular reason that you feel something should
be be brought from the private to the public domain (threats or
whatever) then please contact me with your concerns.


Horse



On 13/09/2010 14:32, MarshaV wrote:

It is fully my responsibility for posting publicly the 'Unlike
Marsha's post,
this really is OFF LIST' post.


Marsha




On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:18 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:

Sorry to read all of this , Jc, i worked with my hands all my
life , and i'm
aware of how harsh life can become for some people.
My life's expierience tells me that it al begins with only one
loose end,
they are added up, loose end above loose end.
On a certaint moment in time, it will generate a cascade of
events ,called a
mid-life crisis.
But it is not per-se a bad thing to talk about it but even in
this optic you
have to keep the balance.
The big questions of life.....sooner or later everybody will meet
them, one
of my basic rules in life is simple as hell,
"do not throw in a lot of show elements in life, it will backfire
always",.And i don't mean to say that i'm the keeper of wisdom.

But to use some phrase of Pirsig, throwing sand in the bulls eyes
won't
work.
You have to reformat yourself this very day man,and its sad to
say, but you
will have to carry some past backpacking in the future.
The clausule's you are mentioning used by the banks , are about
the same as
here, THEY ARE NEGOTIATABLE,its mostly possible to reformulate
the loan, and
end up with a streched-out  downpayment-term. it is often done
here.

The usage of the red tagging argument is also tried-out here,
wont work,
this counter argument doesn't settle the debts to the bank.
They call it a solid as Titanic-argument here in
Europe.Renegotiate the
boundary's and properties of the loan man.

Septic tanks are unimportant until they overflow........needless
to comment.
Move on again on your own force to carry the the day man, i shit
you not.
And i strongly dissaprove the usage for unclear purposes of list-
ommitted
mails.
Mails that are meant to be kept confidential, have no right of
existence in
the public domain.This is unnaceptable.

I'v stayed away from the conflict DMB, Jc,i try to keep my
options open as
long as possible.try to settle the conflict Jc, without cheap
use of relaying mails in the public domain.

Adrie




2010/9/12 John Carl<[email protected]>

A story Marsha?

Sure.  I like Dave and the Ronettes, just fine, but I'll tell
you a story
about Limbo.

Limbo is a place.  As a place, the best description I have for
it is "not
this, not that".  I'm not real familiar with Catholic theology,
but as I
understand it,  Limbo  describes where pagans .  and
unchristened babies go
after they die.  Sounds like my kind of people, actually.   I
think good
Catholics are supposed to pray their loved ones out of limbo and
into
heaven.  But I always wondered why.  Limbo sounds like the
middle way to
me.

When I say I'm living in Limbo, I mean my property, my home of
18 years, my
old miner's cabin which dangles over the diggins behind the
house, and
fronts onto HWY 49.  If I stand in my front yard I can hear
Harleys and
Semi
Trucks going by.  If I stand in the back I'm bordering on BLM
land,
thousands of acres of it, below the level of an 80 foot cliff
that shunts
sounds over my head and leaves me in peace.  I live on the knife
edge of
ambiguity.  This can be maddening, or frustrating or quite
liberating,
depending on how you wanna look at it.  A couple of events have
conspired
to
bring the knife edge of ambiguity to a razor sharp hone.

First, on Sept. 2nd, Lu was issued a ticket by Nevada County to
appear in
court on criminal charges.  These charges concern the condition
of our
property and septic disposal.

At the same time, JP Morgan Chase has somehow "lost" our
modification
documents, which they say gives them the power to renegotiate
our mortgage
modification.  I hear stories all the time about such antics.
How the
government gives money to banks to make up their losses and
foolishness.
How the banks take the money, and keep the property, in the
hopes of
milking
more money out of these "financial instruments".  Good luck with
that.
Sooner or later, something real needs to happen.

Yesterday a shelf, burdened with books fell down and I had to
pick up the
books.  I found one I didn't even know I had, it was from so
long ago - a
thin brown book of poetry by Gary Snyder -

"Some critic tried to put me down--
'your poems lack the Basic Truth of Tao'
And I recall the old-timers
Who were poor and didn't care.
I have to laugh at him,
He misses the point entirely,
Men like that
Ought to stick to making money."

Between the bank and the county, who both stick my home in
Limbo, I find
the
perfect stand.  To the county I say, "Hey, it's not even certain
that it's
my property.  Go find JP Morgan/Chase and ask him to cut the
grass, get rid
of the unregistered vehicles and ancient school bus moldering in
apple
orchard." To JP Morgan Chase I say, "hey, why should I sign your
modification agreement when the property isn't even livable?
The county
has
red-tagged it and here is the supporting documentation to prove
what I
say".  All threats cancel each other out and just thrusts me
deeper into
limbo.

Pray for me, then.  Not to leave limbo for heaven, but to turn
Limbo into
heaven, without interference from demons.

John
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