Of course i was reading this , Dan, and i think you deserve a differentiated reflection based upon the case's evidence. I have no intention what so ever to serve you some crap or a product that is immature , i have to think about your tips, your effort to grow on the path of quality, your effort not to leave the path of quality.
I will take in concideration Lila's child, all previous postings on moq, all comments, all efforts. In reflection of your lead's on Bo, ; ..i will reconcider myself, and make the weight of my case, my opinion. I will come clean on Bo and your impressions. It will take me some time , some days, to reconcider and decide. I need some time to ripen the product, and i will take it , your entitled to it. greetzz, Adrie 2010/9/15 Dan Glover <[email protected]> > Hello everyone > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello Dan, Thanks for the appearance, i still remember your last posting > > about the book of changes , and the constructive proposals, > > and the moment after that , few days later i think , you'v got extremely > > pissed at Bodvar re-appearance here , posting a total incomprihensible > > drivelmostruosity, i still see your words in my mind , saying that you > would > > wish us all sayonara... > > I was very pissed that you were so dissapointed.Glad you'r back. > > Dan: > Bodvar is an old friend; we go way back. I wasn't exactly pissed... > frustrated might be a better word. And I don't like nonsense. > > > >Adrie: > > Thx for reading in on the roll-out of postings > > First , i agree with DMB, Arlo, Horse. > > Horse own's a positive injunctionright, his toolbox to interfere is > lesser > > filled than members that are lesser bound, lesser committed. > > > > I agree with this peoples content and context. Solid stuff. > > > > I hope to have a good influence on JC's case, i like him, and our > attitude > > here in Europe towards the great problems of life, as he is encountering, > is > > slightly different than in America. > > Belgians are very open minded, we talk about our trouble's very easy > among > > each-other. > > So my optic is to help him to reboot himself, jumpstart him if possible, > I > > think its time for him to act. > > > > Try to see it in my perspective, he lost his job, wife and now maybe his > > house, maybe he is enhancing it a little bit, but in the core > > it looks genuine. Did he derail? yes, clearly-and needed some recognition > > probably. > > Was he off-scale in the postings? yes he was ......But nothing of the > human > > spirit is strange to me. Everybody will recognise a lesser moment. > > By being here among friends, in this list , he became part of the > product, > > part of the matter, part of the question. > > Dan: > I understand. I like John and Lu a great deal. But, like dmb, I am not > sure the Internet is the place. Let's face it... we all have problems. > I can recite a list if you'd like. But I prefer to carry my own water. > > Adrie: > > So it is not entirely unnatural that he seeks at least a part of the > > solution here.....and i tend to think that a part of the solution is > truly > > residing here in The moq, the presence of the material, the presence of > the > > knowledge, the impacting power of other listers... > > Dan: > Forgive me, but it seems to me such a solution would be better found > in the presence of loved ones, not on an Internet discussion group. > > >Adrie: > > Did i just declare him innocent and holier than the pope, ...Nope,The > > beginning of the conflict with DMb was induced by him... > > And Dave was very hard on him, but honestly, my opinion is that it was > > nessesary to confront him with the matters in front of him, > > i did the same thing ,to serve the purpose to help him. > > Dave's outlisted mail was clearly meant not to deface him in the public > > domain. It was a hard but solid approach. > > Dan: > Any conflict between John and dmb is just that... between John and > dmb. I happen to agree more with dmb's side of things but that may > only be on account of our long association. John is a relatively new > member while dmb and myself go back a dozen years or so. > > > > >Adrie: > > Clearly he took as well the medicine from Dave, as mine,and honoured it > with > > switching to a more solid attitude. > > Yesterday he produced a very nice posting, very nicely written, showing > out > > that he has talent as a narrator and value as a > > content providing member. I like to have him within the thinktank of this > > list. > > > > I left out some things , bit shortcutting, but you'r all capable of > making > > the correct associations and abstractions. > > > > > > Wat really worries me , is that another listmember is launching threads > > about the questions of death panels, the questions of death, > > The choice of death-,,the choice to die or to live, the answers of the > moq > > on this matter, or the non-answers? at the same moments of > > Jc encountering this loosing of his job, wife, maybe house, clearly > > derailing----- > > Dan: > Platt is our resident Conservative. He is harmless, mostly. Most of > his posts seem designed to get a rise out of people rather than an > effort at discussion, which is too bad. He is very intelligent. I am > unsure that his post had anything to do with John's but who knows? > > >Adrie: > > Nobody here dares to say it out loud , but this member is > > suggesting/autosuggesting to THINK about the death question on this > moments. > > > > The launch of this thread is no coincidence in my opinion. > > I have no intention what so ever to call this a criminal intention, and i > do > > not want to imply it, as i can see it , the religious call out there > > to herd JC back to the flock before he leaves...is prominent and implied > by > > suggestion/autosuggestion. > > > > But religion or the question of death are not the issue now, the real > issue > > is this imho > > Newly emerging listquality in content an context is aborted sideways by > > contaminating the conversations in a structured way > > and in a structured attack, guided in the background of the listnoise. > > The use of shredded monologue's, re-shredded monologue's, omitted mails > is > > not feared.....as a tool. > > It is only some weeks ago that this environment, what i call a thinktank, > > looked like a freakshow. > > FREAKSHOWS are launched by freaks, because that is what they do.and a > freak > > will always stay a freak. > > Dan: > If I understand you correctly, this is why I got a bit miffed with > Bodvar. He seemed to have a habit of "hijacking" threads and turning > them into his own personal attacks on the MOQ. It was some weeks ago, > if I remember, that virtually every thread ended with Bodvar > admonishing us that his SOL was the "one true MOQ". > > Now, you and some of the newer member may not realize it, but us older > members have put up with that nonsense for years and years. And it is > nonsense. It polluted the discussion group to the point that I was > ready to leave, and I imagine other members may have felt the same > way. > > >Adrie: > > Rest me to say, Dan, that quality is on the horizon, and i'm pointing out > > towards DMB's proposals to open the fields of congruence, > > to explore unseen matter and evidence, people here should honour Dave for > > all the work he is doing to show material and expirience. > > Dan: > I think the discussion group is fortunate indeed to have contributors > like David Buchanan. His posts are first-rate and his thinking seems > to be continually evolving rather than stagnating, as so many > contributors tend towards. > > >Adrie: > > Does this imply that to stay alive in a pond full of croc's, one has to > stay > > friends with the master croc?, no...but do not try to > > kill the master croc,....maybe its your friend and guardian. > > Dan: > You never know who's got your back, it's true. > > > > > > THx for reading this Dan > > Adrie > > You're welcome. Thank you for writing. > > Dan > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
