On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:44 PM, <platthol...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 16 Sep 2010 at 17:18, Steven Peterson wrote: > > Hi Platt, > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:36 PM, <platthol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Ham, > > > > Yes, "Something from Nothing" is latest iteration of the "Oops Theory" of > how > > the universe came into being. It goes hand in hand with the terms > "spontaneous" > > and "emergence" so favored by science types when they have no idea why or > how > > something occurred. > > > It would seem that either at some point something came from nothing or > that something was always around. Which do you think it is? > > Hi Steven, > > I suppose you can argue that nothing is something. But, that doesn't sit > well > with me because to have a concept of nothing you have to have something, > just > as the concept of a whole presupposes a larger whole, or the concept of one > presupposes the concept of many. So we find ourselves in the land of > paradox. >
If concepts are real (something) and nothing is indusputably conceptual, then nothing is indisputiably something. Platt: The only way out of this rational cul-de-sac that I know of is for one to > decide which underlying assumption of the many available has the highest > quality. For me, it's that something was always around. In other words, I > buy > the scientist's assumption that for every effect there is a cause That at > the > beginning of the universe cause and effect suddenly becomes inoperative to > Hawkins and some other cosmologists seems to me to be a grand cop out. > > John: Yes, given a pick between cosmologies, what 'good" is a nihilistic one? > But I could be wrong. Maybe the technique Magnus uses to identify underling > assumptions will reveal that I am. :-) > Well, you'll get no argument from me, I agree completely. Idealistically yours, John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
