Greetings,
On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, David Thomas wrote: > On 9/18/10 9:00 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the >> paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the >> taint of any subjectivity. > > This, of course, is your reification of your concept. Of course, that is how the intellect functions. > On the other hand both of the articles you posted in the "Reifying Carrots" > thread argue that while there is tendency of the intellect to reify, it is not > absolute, the habit can be broken, and it is good to do so. I've posted a lot on reification, but ah yes, the old "Kill all intellectual patterns." Meditation. And won't the babies start crying that I'm an anti-intellectual... > The MoQ makes the same argument. Your reified position above argues > against this possibility. Thus your love for, and misunderstanding of the > "kill the intellect" translation. It is reified because it is an intellectual position. > You forget that the verse is not a literal truth but a tool, a pointer. One > that > points to danger of the very idea you are trying to reify. To say reification is bad would be to say that Western science is bad, and I have never said that. > The idea that the intellect functions in one and only one way, always > dividing perceptions into subject and objects. This reification is the same function that Buddhism tries to transcend. To get beyond it is to awaken. > That you fail to understand this is, well, proof that in your case the reality > of a reified, unchangeable, intellect is true. Intellect reifies, yet ultimately I understand the MoQ to be Quality = unpatterned experience / patterned experience. It is experienced as ever-changing, interdependent, relative, impermanent value. > But that's just me reifying your reifications. :-) And during meditation or at the end of the day, all that intellectualization folds back into not this, not that... Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
