Arlo
Interesting post. Not the content though, but what you left out.
You seem to think that a computer is just a means for storage, like a
paper, but it's much more than that. I don't think you can deny that.
My questions you left unanswered was:
Explain in terms of the levels. Point to the stuff in a computer and say
which is which. How hard could it be?
And by the way, this dependency thing. For every quality event you must
be able to show the dependency for *that* event. So, if you have an
intellectual quality event, you have to be able to show the social event
that supports it, the biological event that supports that, and the
inorganic event that supported the biological. So, duration, decay and
all those excuses simply can't be a part of such an explanation.
A computer is much more than storage. It can experience intellectual
patterns. Not dynamically, but statically. And the levels are static, so
a static intellectual experience of a computer is just as real as the
same intellectual experience of a human. That is the only way you can
interpret the MoQ's first two divisions DQ/SQ, and then the static
levels, right?
So, what you need to do is to explain how a computer can support
intellectual patterns. I mean that a computer's ability to do that is
analogous to a human's ability to do it, it's just the dynamic influence
that is completely absent in a computer.
Magnus
On 2010-09-19 00:31, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
[Magnus]
So, what you need to do is to explain how a computer can support intellectual
patterns.
[Arlo]
The same way a book can. Its a storage mechanism.
[Magnus]
I mean that a computer's ability to do that is analogous to a human's ability
to do it, it's just the dynamic influence that is completely absent in a
computer.
[Arlo]
I don't think its very analogous at all. One stores, the other generates.
[Magnus]
Then what about a computer? How is a computer able to support an intellectual
pattern like a book, or a design specification for a new car? You can remove it
from the internet, and it will support that book more or less forever. It will
not decay.
[Arlo]
It most certainly will, just over a longer timeframe than you are seeing.
[Magnus]
Duration? Where is this duration mentioned in the MoQ?
[Arlo]
Its fairly evident that inorganic patterns are more persistent than biological
patterns; a stone tablet will "outlive" a human brain, but both eventually
decay.
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