Dave, I don't think the word 'religious' needs to be attached the word transcendent, nor the word mysticism. Going beyond conventional knowledge would be a transcendence.
Marsha On Sep 19, 2010, at 12:53 PM, David Thomas wrote: > On 9/19/10 9:53 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you read 'reifying carrots' thread, most of my examples >> of reification come from a Buddhist perspective. I think this >> is quite appropriate when one considers the MoQ may >> be considered a bridge between Western Science and >> Eastern Insight. >> >> Wikipedia is not the sole source of information. There are >> also many books available, and I read. > > I dare say most of the people here read more and at a higher level than most > of the general population. That being said, quantity and difficulty of the > material does not necessarily and automatically translate into quality of > interpretation of that material. > > But here is the real problem as I see it. Pirsig's marriage of Eastern and > West philosophy relies on acceptance of the proposition that religious > mystical experience is: > > 1. Transcendent, in the sense that it surpasses ordinary experience to a > higher level. One more in touch with "reality" as it really is. He does not > mean transcendent in the Kantian way. > >> 1 TRANSCENDENT >> a : exceeding usual limits : surpassing >> b : extending or lying beyond the limits of ordinary experience >> c in Kantian philosophy : being beyond the limits of all possible experience >> and knowledge > > 2. A more accurate, integrating, and useful account of reality "as a whole" > than any other. > > Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to deny the reality of mystical > experiences or the reports of those that have them. It just that the more I > read and try to understand the nature of mystical experience the more > skeptical I become of the good of this approach. This really should be > another separate thread. But my most basic skepticism lies in this: > > What if mystical experiences are not a higher level of experience but a > regressive, reduced, or more animalistic type experience? > > What if all Neanderthals were mystics? > > Just a thought. > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
