Hi Magnus, Yes, exactly my thoughts. Where I was going, was the creation of a reality through something like physics, which then goes on to disprove the existence of a God (or something like that, just an example). The claim, is that such a phenomenon cannot be measured therefore cannot exist. However, it is quite possible that measurement is not the critical factor which should be considered. Such is my opinion of books like the recent one by Stephen Hawking. But whatever, it is not something I perseverate on. I am merely trying to dispel the Scientism that I sometimes read in these posts (I love a good discussion). Many these days do not question the premises of science. It is just an agreed upon metaphysics. We see and create what we want to, such is the proposition of state vector collapse which I find fascinating for its metaphysical possibilities.
Anyway, I do not want to tarry on such things as I used to. Cheers, Mark On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Magnus Berg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark > > No sarcasm at all. > > What does a weighing scale do? > It shows the effect gravity has on a mass. > > What does a speedometer do? > It shows the effect of turning a magnet around inside a cup. > > What does a light sensor do? > It changes resistance as an effect of incoming photons. > > I really don't know if there are *any* measurement instruments that doesn't > show some effect it feels. > > But when you're measuring a length, you might be using some kind of ruler > to compare the length you want to measure with the markings on the ruler. > But I'm not sure that really counts as measuring, it's rather comparing the > length to some kind of standard length. Hmm... > > Magnus > > > > > > > > > On 2010-09-19 19:54, 118 wrote: > >> Thanks, sometimes thought experiments are fun in the world of metaphysics, >> sometimes they lead somewhere. sometimes not. Not sure if you are >> sarcastic >> about the feeling but not measuring, if not, I agree. It may be difficult >> to measure Quality through physics, however there are physics analogies >> that >> sometimes help me Quantify it. >> >> Cheers, >> Mark >> >> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Magnus Berg<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Mark >>> >>> Great stuff, thanks for posting. >>> >>> I was especially intrigued by your thoughts about the speed of light. >>> I've had similar thoughts about c and time and how they're >>> interconnected. One idea I had was that reality is rushing through time >>> at (in some sense) the speed of light, dragging mass behind it. This >>> could explain why there seems to be only matter and not any anti-matter. >>> Anti-matter would be pushed forward by the time, just as matter is >>> dragged behind it. Mainly layman thoughts, but it got me approaching it >>> from another direction and that's always fun. >>> >>> >>> You also said: >>> >>> While we can never ever measure the >>>> graviton, we can feel its affects. So, we can feel the effects of >>>> things that we will never be able to measure. Happens all the time. >>>> >>>> >>> "Measure" vs "feel the effect". >>> >>> Are they different? Isn't "feel the effect" what all measurements do? >>> >>> Interesting. >>> >>> Magnus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
