Hey!  Nice to see you posting, Mark.  I do understand that multiple 
methods of testing the affects of postulated forces increases the validity 
(conventional acceptance/pattern stability) of those unmeasurable 
forces. 


Marsha




On Sep 19, 2010, at 1:38 AM, 118 wrote:

> Hi All once again.
> 
> I see that Marsha asked a question about the speed of light, which led to an
> interesting discussion on physics.  Now physics is one of my favorite ways
> of exploring the metaphysical and mystical.  One must keep in mind that
> physics can only deal with that which is measurable, and therefore creates a
> simplistic reality which may or may not reflect ones total experience.  But,
> the modern constructs of physics certainly do lead to the mystical.
> 
> So to start with, the current theory of the speed of light (of course as
> science progresses theories are always replaced by new ones).  The theory
> extrapolates to a vacuum, or free space (or whatever you want to call it,
> Nothing There).  Of course this could well be impossible for if one takes
> the particle view of the photon, once light is present there is no vacuum.
> So, whatever.  But, in this theory as I have just been reading on these
> posts, there is a maximum to its speed.  The way I have learned to
> understand this is by switching the relative points and assuming that light
> is stationary, and that we are traveling at its speed.  This makes sense to
> me because time is equal to zero at the speed of light (in other words the
> photon is outside of time).  So zero time, zero speed.  I know, we can find
> all sorts of trouble with this, but I have worked through a lot of it, and
> it requires all sorts of imaginary dimensions and so forth.  So the question
> is why are we moving so fast and creating time in the mean time, and why we
> can't move any faster (that is, go slower than zero)?  Well it would seem
> that because of the nature of light which comes from all over the place,
> there is really no direction to move in to move faster, so we are stuck at
> this speed.  We can of course slow down (currently seen as speeding up to
> the speed of light), whatever that means in this crazy proposition.  The
> problem is that as we do so we do so we get incredibly big.
> 
> But let's use current physics to explore the mystical.  To do this we look
> at gravity (since that seems where the previous dialogue went).  Now, there
> is a branch of physics that postulates the existence of the graviton.  In
> fact, it must exist according to some.  The problem is that the graviton can
> never be measured, because it has no mass.  So, since we can't measure it,
> does that mean it doesn't exist?  No of course not.  Since theory predicts
> it, it could well be hanging around.  So what exactly does this graviton do?
> Well, it creates gravity. While we can never ever measure the graviton, we
> can feel its affects.  So, we can feel the effects of things that we will
> never be able to measure.  Happens all the time.
> 
> The last thing I wanted to post about concerning the mystical
> through contemplation of physics is the electromagnetic theory.
> Electromagnetism is the primary force through which we physically interact
> with reality.  Now, this theory has been adopted into the quantum club.  So,
> what can we meditate about our personal experience through the quantum
> theory.  Well, there is quantum stuff going on in our brains at every
> moment.  To simplify, this means that particles are moving from on place to
> another without going the distance between.  They kind of disappear and
> reappear somewhere else.  So where are they when they are not in between?
> There is no doubt in my mind that they are on the "Other Side", something
> the Doors sang about many years ago.  So what is this other side?  Obviously
> it dramatically impacts what we are aware of right now because our brains
> are full of this quantum jumping.  Now we are getting mystical.
> 
> Cheers,
> 118
> aka Mark
> aka WillBlake2
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