On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:49 PM, John Carl wrote: > Mornin' Marsha, > > >> >> Are you somewhere saying that I have something misinterpreted, because >> if you think so may I can clarify. >> >> > > My specific point of contention, is that "emptiness = Quality" is a view, a > metaphysical view, refuted by the video you post. Wallace specifically > terms it "foolish person's conclusion". Now, does this mean I'm calling you > a fool? > > Yes!
Hi John, Where did I say emptiness = Quality? I may have, but I don't remember? I think I wrote that RMP stated Emptiness and Quality are synonyms . I think I stated that they are analogies point in the same direction. Marsha > > But I make a fool of myself as well, to communicate to one and all, that we > are all fools. Not all fools equally, but equally all fools. And the fool > that understands her foolishness is wise. And for me to have enough faith > in your wisdom, to point out your foolishness to you, then I guess I'm not > calling you a fool, I'm calling you wise. > > So... No! > > Another interesting part of that video, was the way he mentioned in his task > of interpreting the physicist for the Dalai Lama, was that at the end of the > day, the physicist reports going home and reifying his wife and kids, even > though he knows they don't actually exist, objectively speaking. In other > words, reification is even more inevitable than drinking and picking up bar > lades, and using "it's a reification" as argumentative refutation is no more > adequate an argument than saying "it's only an analogy, ya know." I mean > really. duh. Everything is. > > > John Laughing Fool > > > > > >> >> >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:23 PM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> Marsha, listen to the last part again. That last couple of minutes. >> I've >>> transcribed it for others who can't be bothered to wade through 8 or so >>> minutes of excellent rhetoric" >>> >>> "The two radical poles- that which is absolutely objective and that >> which >>> absolutely subjective, are null sets, they're equally empty. Now where >> does >>> that leave us? The foolish person says 'I get it - Nothing exists- >> Nihilism >>> - foolishness. What I want to do, metaphorically, is take out a little >>> knife and pffft - (pop their balloon). I want to bring them back. Yes, >>> absolutel objectivity and absolute subjectivity - empty. So where is >>> reality to be found? The entanglement between." >>> >>> There is your synonym for Quality, my dear: The Entanglement Between. >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:01 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I think it is acceptable within the MoQ to consider Emptiness equivalent >> to >>>> Quaiity... >>>> >>>> >>>> Emptiness & Quantum Mechanics (8 minutes) >>>> by B. Alan Wallace >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> http://web.me.com/ksnowsb108/B._Alan_Wallace_Podcasts/Podcast/Entries/2009/2/7_Emptiness_%26_Quantum_Mechanics.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Bio: Dr. Wallace, a scholar and practitioner of Buddhism since 1970, >> has >>>> taught Buddhist theory and meditation worldwide since 1976. Having >> devoted >>>> fourteen years to training as a Tibetan Buddhist monk, ordained by H. H. >> the >>>> Dalai Lama, he went on to earn an undergraduate degree in physics and >> the >>>> philosophy of science at Amherst College and a doctorate in religious >>>> studies at Stanford. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
