I think I'll go watch Mr. Hawking and his Universe for a while. ;-)
On Oct 8, 2010, at 2:26 PM, John Carl wrote:
> Hi Marsha,
>
>
>> Where did I say emptiness = Quality? I may have, but I don't remember?
>>
>> I think I wrote that RMP stated Emptiness and Quality are synonyms . I
>> think
>> I stated that they are analogies point in the same direction.
>>
>>
>
> I'm still wading through parts of this thread. It's gotten big! So big,
> that evidently you forget that you started the whole thing. To be exact,
> you said "equivalent", not "equals" and you can distinctify between those
> terms if you wish, but I'm warning you, if you do so I will accuse you of
> equivocating. :-)
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> But I make a fool of myself as well, to communicate to one and all, that
>> we
>>> are all fools. Not all fools equally, but equally all fools. And the
>> fool
>>> that understands her foolishness is wise. And for me to have enough
>> faith
>>> in your wisdom, to point out your foolishness to you, then I guess I'm
>> not
>>> calling you a fool, I'm calling you wise.
>>>
>>> So... No!
>>>
>>> Another interesting part of that video, was the way he mentioned in his
>> task
>>> of interpreting the physicist for the Dalai Lama, was that at the end of
>> the
>>> day, the physicist reports going home and reifying his wife and kids,
>> even
>>> though he knows they don't actually exist, objectively speaking. In
>> other
>>> words, reification is even more inevitable than drinking and picking up
>> bar
>>> lades, and using "it's a reification" as argumentative refutation is no
>> more
>>> adequate an argument than saying "it's only an analogy, ya know." I
>> mean
>>> really. duh. Everything is.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Laughing Fool
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:23 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Marsha, listen to the last part again. That last couple of minutes.
>>>> I've
>>>>> transcribed it for others who can't be bothered to wade through 8 or so
>>>>> minutes of excellent rhetoric"
>>>>>
>>>>> "The two radical poles- that which is absolutely objective and that
>>>> which
>>>>> absolutely subjective, are null sets, they're equally empty. Now where
>>>> does
>>>>> that leave us? The foolish person says 'I get it - Nothing exists-
>>>> Nihilism
>>>>> - foolishness. What I want to do, metaphorically, is take out a little
>>>>> knife and pffft - (pop their balloon). I want to bring them back.
>> Yes,
>>>>> absolutel objectivity and absolute subjectivity - empty. So where is
>>>>> reality to be found? The entanglement between."
>>>>>
>>>>> There is your synonym for Quality, my dear: The Entanglement Between.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:01 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is acceptable within the MoQ to consider Emptiness
>> equivalent
>>>> to
>>>>>> Quaiity...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Emptiness & Quantum Mechanics (8 minutes)
>>>>>> by B. Alan Wallace
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://web.me.com/ksnowsb108/B._Alan_Wallace_Podcasts/Podcast/Entries/2009/2/7_Emptiness_%26_Quantum_Mechanics.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bio: Dr. Wallace, a scholar and practitioner of Buddhism since 1970,
>>>> has
>>>>>> taught Buddhist theory and meditation worldwide since 1976. Having
>>>> devoted
>>>>>> fourteen years to training as a Tibetan Buddhist monk, ordained by H.
>> H.
>>>> the
>>>>>> Dalai Lama, he went on to earn an undergraduate degree in physics and
>>>> the
>>>>>> philosophy of science at Amherst College and a doctorate in religious
>>>>>> studies at Stanford.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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