Greetz Adrie, On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:34 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]>wrote:
> Okay, 1 straight question arises, You do not have to answer it, i will not > hold it against you. > > Is the bible the highest pattern of value?(in your expirience)-is it a > pattern of value? > > A pattern of value, certainly. The highest? No. Not off the top of my head. Nature is the highest pattern of value - from a biblical perspective, the creation itself came into being because God spoke and then pronounced good. Thus as with the MoQ, all true value comes from right understanding of Nature - God's original and unsullied word. "Nature does the whole job" RMP states in the Coppleston Annotations and I agree with Bob. The bible is a response to problems - sin, starting with, as I often point out, the oldest book in the Bible - Job. When understood in this way, the rest reveals a fascinating dialogue based upon human problems with this misapplied intellect. So perhaps a useful guide for those who are lost, but certainly not the highest pattern of value in the universe. The highest pattern of value in the universe, IS the universe. > If it is , for you, i will still have respect for you,but we will not > discuss religion itself, i will always remain my position as > agnoticus. > > Absolutely. In fact, there are so many problems with religion, that to enter into it seems totally hopeless. But the fact is, that as we analyze and understand social patterns intellectually, we see that our best hope for the planet is in the proper manipulations of those patterns. There are lots of Christians and Muslims in the world. There are few moq'ists. > Pff, Krimels kreed, we use the word credo, i will never make it my > credo,"shit happens" or "chaos rules", i tend to derive my credo's from > reality itself.From the books , the works, science, art. > > Good. We agree. > The word randomness gaught my attention, i think its better to stay > carefull > with words like that, before you know it, > we will be using words as notingness,wholeness, randomness,ending up in > sillyness, like with Ham's homebrew-crap. > Hamptiness?...djeezz.Loch ness? valueless? > > I was really very pleased with Wallace's "entanglement between". The best expression for DQ I've heard in a long time. The metaphysics of meaninglessness holds a strange fascination for many, but I believe that is solely due to the unconscious fear of being caught in a stranglehold of alien control, that permeates much of our cultural programming. > Can you pay attention to the first question? > greetz, Adrie > > > I already have, Adrie, thanks for asking. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
