Dmb, The mind reifies; that's the key to my understanding. Here again is my definition of the Intellectual Level:
The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns of value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries that give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of analysis.” The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity like emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study and research in an unbiased and rational manner. Marsha On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:31 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > dmb, > > I use my intellect all the time. I like to. It's fun. So what? > > For me the MoQ designates Reality = Quality. Quality, for me, is experienced > as unpatterned and patterned. - All the "talking" about the MoQ and > Quality are a second-hand intellectualizing and NOT the first-hand > knowing/experience of either. What's not to get? You want to think > meditation is clap-trap, then don't excited with me that you do not > understand. You are really funny. Here try this: > > Not this > Not -this > Not (this and -this) > Not (neither this nor -this) > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:09 PM, david buchanan wrote: > >> >> Marsha: >> >> You still don't see why your equation doesn't add up? You still don't see >> the problem with your reasoning? I thought I'd made it impossible to miss, >> even for you. And what I did was neither a hissy-fit nor was it merely >> insulting. It was a step-by-step explanation and, as usual, you have >> responded with a childish evasion. >> >> Go ahead, Marsha explain your reasoning. If philosophy is a particular kind >> of intellectual quality and SOM is a particular kind of philosophy, then how >> can the whole intellectual level be defined as "a formalized subject/object >> level (SOM)"? >> >> How can one part of a subsection define the whole thing? That's like >> defining "food" as one of the cherries in one slice of one pie. >> >> >> And what really kills me is the fact that anybody ever asked in the first >> place. Intellect is what you're using to ask the question. It's just the >> ability to skillfully handle concepts, abstractions, generalizations and the >> like. Intellectual patterns are the products of that skill. What's not to >> understand? Intellect is what we use here everyday. It's what you use to >> read and interpret the books we're here to discuss. It's just thinking. >> Marsha's definition is too complicated by about 2000%. >> >> That's a criticism of your position, Marsha, not mere insult. Yes, I >> characterized your reasoning as "spectacularly bad" and "spectacularly >> stupid" but I broke it down into steps, used an analogy and otherwise >> explained exactly what the problem is with that reasoning. A child could >> have understood that explanation but you've simply ignored the actual >> substance of it. As usual, your response fits the same old pattern. Insult >> and evade, insult and evade. There is simply no reasoning with you, is >> there? You are literally unreasonable. Things like logic and evidence mean >> absolutely nothing to you, do they? I just don't understand how you can >> cling to such a conspicuously contradictory construction without >> embarrassment. >> >> >> Level 4 includes patterns like a, b, c, and d. >> >> Therefore: >> >> Level 4 is defined as the patterns that dominated the Western part of d in >> recent historic times? >> >> C'mon. Anyone can see how spectacularly bad that reasoning is, right? It's >> not just me, right? Isn't is conspicuously wrong? The problem with it is >> very clear, no? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
